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Reversed into a car and didn't know
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jammiejimmy wrote: »With regard to the third count, witness statements say that they saw me "reversing slowly"; this would seem to indicate that I was actually driving with some due care and attention?
That meets the definition of driving without due care and attention, i.e."below what would be expected of a careful and competent driver", .0 -
Which of the 3 is the most serious offence?
I'd like to know that.Did the witnesses say whether you were actually looking back? Your previous posts would suggest you weren't. That meets the definition of driving without due care and attention, i.e."below what would be expected of a careful and competent driver", .
The witness doesn't mention that. I do remember that I had several black rubbish bags in the back as I was going to the local "recycling" place, so I would only have been able to see out the top of the back window. The car I hit was apparently a Mazda MX5- one of those little convertible things so I'm thinking I didn't see it. Not an excuse, I'm just saying that's what happened. I've already said I'm going guilty to that anyway.Mercdriver wrote: »~Did you not get interviewed by the police at all? Sounds unusual.
No I didn't. I've wondered about this too. If they had visited my home I would have been happy to have been interviewed although I'm never pleading guilty to the first two charges. This could have been settled quickly. I'm insured up the a**e!0 -
Reversing out? Were you in a carpark then?
Others may confirm, but I'd have thought there were no charges able to be brought on private land?0 -
jammiejimmy wrote: »No, as a matter of law I don't believe it does. My research of precedent informs me that if you're not aware of something happening then you can't be expected to report it. And I didn't stop because I wasn't aware of an incident. I have three cases I can cite for precedent, and I'm definitely pleading not guilty to the first two counts on the basis that I had no idea of any contact being made between my car and another.
With regard to the third count, witness statements say that they saw me "reversing slowly"; this would seem to indicate that I was actually driving with some due care and attention?
I appreciate your comments as they're helping me to clarify events and arguments, which is what I need to do after being in a state of low grade panic for the last two days.
I think that the point is that managing to damage another car but not notice is pretty good evidence that you were not paying attention or taking enough care.
If you were doing both you would not have reversed into another car.0 -
Reversing out? Were you in a carpark then?
Others may confirm, but I'd have thought there were no charges able to be brought on private land?
Yes- it was a council car park so not private land.Kentish_Dave wrote: »I think that the point is that managing to damage another car but not notice is pretty good evidence that you were not paying attention or taking enough care.
If you were doing both you would not have reversed into another car.
Yes, I've conceded that.
Had I noticed that I had bumped another car I would have left details but I didn't notice. I can't really defend that charge (3) but I didn't notice so I'm pleading "not guilty" to the other two charges as I can't be expected to report something I don't know about! There's also precedent for similar cases to mine which I will refer to in court. I'll post the precedents for future ref. when I get round to it... probably after the hearing which is in a couple of weeks.0 -
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Isn’t leaving the scene of an accident a potentially imprisonable offence and so charges 1 & 2 would lead to a criminal record for the OP if he was found guilty? In these circumstances, where there were no injuries, the penalty would be a fine but it’s still a potentially indictable offence.
Careless driving is not an indictable offence and would not therefore lead to a criminal record.0 -
Isn’t leaving the scene of an accident a potentially imprisonable offence and so charges 1 & 2 would lead to a criminal record for the OP if he was found guilty? In these circumstances, where there were no injuries, the penalty would be a fine but it’s still a potentially indictable offence.
Careless driving is not an indictable offence and would not therefore lead to a criminal record.
Nor is failing to stop and report.0
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