I need help with finding regulation or reporting to trading standards

imjustanonymous

Dear All,

I need help as im in a dispute with someone who i hired to fit an electrical shower. Me and my family live in a housing association house who were East Homes but now are L&Q. In 2016 i started looking for a trader to help fit this shower for me, through word of mouth i came across someone who was hired by a family friend to do some painting job even though he says hes like an all rounder person. He came to view the house and where we wanted the shower and advised etc He said he would take on the job, i wasnt around home at the time due to university and my mum was when the actual works were being done, he did this around Mid 2016. He charged about £400, no proper contract or receipt given. He also had brought in another electrician to actually certify the work and to make it go live, have a copy of this certificate also. Managed to find out this electrician was with the NIC and Napit but no longer is since 2015

The work wasnt good, the conduit pipings he fitted started to fall off from the walls and tape also, he did this around the front main door and i kept having to fix them, he made some holes which werent correct and never repaired them, he left a breaker box not screwed down properly either, contacted him to try and fix this and he said he would come round but never came, after many calls to him and no answer, i gave up and did my diy of the conduit pipes but not the breaker box.

Fast forward to late 2018, L&Q came for a random inspection and basically saw the work and complained for health and safety and complained about the holes etc and basicaly disconnected the shower, we have been out of the shower since around November of last year. The L&Q electrician came and saw this and then went to the person who i hired, to his house left him a note about his work and there was some words between the two exchanged. The person i hired came round instantly said that his work is immaculate and nothings wrong with it. We said that we he needs to fix what the landlord said and he said he would after christmas, now its 2019 and April is almost ending and still nothing.

He came around in the end of February and said that he will charge more for having the conduits fixed, L&Q said he needed to have put metal brackets which he didnt and some exposed wire and to correct the amp also. He said all this costs extra money, i said surely not because he shouldve known this. He then said to me that all this about metal brackets on conduit pipes has only come in the new regulation of 2019 and when he did the work in 2016 it didnt matter he also gave an example of Grenfell to me. He also said id have to pay another electrician to get this certified

What i need to know is this:

Is he right about the regulation for 2019 where all conduit pipes need to have brackets which are near fire exit routes?

Do i have to pay more? I mean shouldnt have offer something

Where can i go to report him and get this work done because isnt listening to me and is adamant that he will only do more work for more money

I can provide pictures of the job but im not sure if this could be the right website, im busy with university and my mums busy with hospital runs with my sister

Any advice or information will be appreciated

Thanks

hollydays

imjustanonymous wrote: »

Dear All,

I need help as im in a dispute with someone who i hired to fit an electrical shower. Me and my family live in a housing association house who were East Homes but now are L&Q. In 2016 i started looking for a trader to help fit this shower for me, through word of mouth i came across someone who was hired by a family friend to do some painting job even though he says hes like an all rounder person. He came to view the house and where we wanted the shower and advised etc He said he would take on the job, i wasnt around home at the time due to university and my mum was when the actual works were being done, he did this around Mid 2016. He charged about £400, no proper contract or receipt given. He also had brought in another electrician to actually certify the work and to make it go live, have a copy of this certificate also. Managed to find out this electrician was with the NIC and Napit but no longer is since 2015

The work wasnt good, the conduit pipings he fitted started to fall off from the walls and tape also, he did this around the front main door and i kept having to fix them, he made some holes which werent correct and never repaired them, he left a breaker box not screwed down properly either, contacted him to try and fix this and he said he would come round but never came, after many calls to him and no answer, i gave up and did my diy of the conduit pipes but not the breaker box.

Fast forward to late 2018, L&Q came for a random inspection and basically saw the work and complained for health and safety and complained about the holes etc and basicaly disconnected the shower, we have been out of the shower since around November of last year. The L&Q electrician came and saw this and then went to the person who i hired, to his house left him a note about his work and there was some words between the two exchanged. The person i hired came round instantly said that his work is immaculate and nothings wrong with it. We said that we he needs to fix what the landlord said and he said he would after christmas, now its 2019 and April is almost ending and still nothing.

He came around in the end of February and said that he will charge more for having the conduits fixed, L&Q said he needed to have put metal brackets which he didnt and some exposed wire and to correct the amp also. He said all this costs extra money, i said surely not because he shouldve known this. He then said to me that all this about metal brackets on conduit pipes has only come in the new regulation of 2019 and when he did the work in 2016 it didnt matter he also gave an example of Grenfell to me. He also said id have to pay another electrician to get this certified

What i need to know is this:

Is he right about the regulation for 2019 where all conduit pipes need to have brackets which are near fire exit routes?

Do i have to pay more? I mean shouldnt have offer something

Where can i go to report him and get this work done because isnt listening to me and is adamant that he will only do more work for more money

I can provide pictures of the job but im not sure if this could be the right website, im busy with university and my mums busy with hospital runs with my sister

Any advice or information will be appreciated

Thanks

Without reading the whole thing, I'm initially confused about the frontmain door comment.
How does this relate to a shower

Ectophile

A new rule came in in 2018 regarding electrical wiring in fire escape routes. All wiring should be fixed in place using fire-resistant fixings, not just plastic conduit or clips.


If the work was done before 2018, but inspected in 2018, then you are a bit stuck in the middle there.


The rule is there for a very good reason. Cables secured only by plastic can give way and sag across the exit if there's a fire. This could tangle either occupants trying to get out, or firefighters trying to get in.

Lomast

He is right in that its not retrospective the wiring regulations at the time dont specify metal clips and so it was correct when installed.

There is no legal requirement for an electrician to be qualified as long as building regs part p is complied with by being signed off by a suitably qualified person and the fact it was should mean it was correct but clearly something is wrong somewhere.

Any chance of a picture of the exposed wires as its hard to tell from your description if thats an issue or not

The holes etc are irrelevant from an electrical installation point of view thats just poor workmanship but if he resuses to correct it you may have to issue small claims case against him.

imjustanonymous

A new rule came in in 2018 regarding electrical wiring in fire escape routes. All wiring should be fixed in place using fire-resistant fixings, not just plastic conduit or clips.


If the work was done before 2018, but inspected in 2018, then you are a bit stuck in the middle there.


The rule is there for a very good reason. Cables secured only by plastic can give way and sag across the exit if there's a fire. This could tangle either occupants trying to get out, or firefighters trying to get in.

The front door main thing refers to the whole wiring system he did, apparently the way he did it could potentially cause a hazard incase of fire and if we needed to get out of the house

I have posted these pictures soyou understand the front door bit

Pictures are here, i have put a space between the letter S and :

https /ibb.co/dMnxxw8
https /ibb.co/nnjHBSv
https /ibb.co/ZYjGsSV
https /ibb.co/bbyfmtF
https /ibb.co/s2wcbbC
https /ibb.co/0VM3ytW
https /ibb.co/KXZ2ZYv
https /ibb.co/Z619w1T
https /ibb.co/BVZRg88
https /ibb.co/mTWrnk0
https /ibb.co/j6qFYXX
https /ibb.co/SvK1HfC
https /ibb.co/VxDpt2f
https /ibb.co/6rYGXV4
https /ibb.co/zmTrNDq

imjustanonymous

He is right in that its not retrospective the wiring regulations at the time dont specify metal clips and so it was correct when installed.

There is no legal requirement for an electrician to be qualified as long as building regs part p is complied with by being signed off by a suitably qualified person and the fact it was should mean it was correct but clearly something is wrong somewhere.

Any chance of a picture of the exposed wires as its hard to tell from your description if thats an issue or not

The holes etc are irrelevant from an electrical installation point of view thats just poor workmanship but if he resuses to correct it you may have to issue small claims case against him.

The whole main issue was that if the conduit pipes sag down and theres a fire, because it runs over the front door, if that melts and catches fire it would dangle down and be a hazard and we woudlt be able to exit in an emergency

i am attaching photos so you understand what work was done

Pictures are here, i have put a space between the letter S and :

https /ibb.co/dMnxxw8
https /ibb.co/nnjHBSv
https /ibb.co/ZYjGsSV
https /ibb.co/bbyfmtF
https /ibb.co/s2wcbbC
https /ibb.co/0VM3ytW
https /ibb.co/KXZ2ZYv
https /ibb.co/Z619w1T
https /ibb.co/BVZRg88
https /ibb.co/mTWrnk0
https /ibb.co/j6qFYXX
https /ibb.co/SvK1HfC
https /ibb.co/VxDpt2f
https /ibb.co/6rYGXV4
https /ibb.co/zmTrNDq

imjustanonymous

He is right in that its not retrospective the wiring regulations at the time dont specify metal clips and so it was correct when installed.

There is no legal requirement for an electrician to be qualified as long as building regs part p is complied with by being signed off by a suitably qualified person and the fact it was should mean it was correct but clearly something is wrong somewhere.

Any chance of a picture of the exposed wires as its hard to tell from your description if thats an issue or not

The holes etc are irrelevant from an electrical installation point of view thats just poor workmanship but if he resuses to correct it you may have to issue small claims case against him.

Thats also a main argument that the work was signed off but the quality of the work wasnt good enough to be signed off on

Pictures are here, i have put a space between the letter S and :

https /ibb.co/dMnxxw8
https /ibb.co/nnjHBSv
https /ibb.co/ZYjGsSV
https /ibb.co/bbyfmtF
https /ibb.co/s2wcbbC
https /ibb.co/0VM3ytW
https /ibb.co/KXZ2ZYv
https /ibb.co/Z619w1T
https /ibb.co/BVZRg88
https /ibb.co/mTWrnk0
https /ibb.co/j6qFYXX
https /ibb.co/SvK1HfC
https /ibb.co/VxDpt2f
https /ibb.co/6rYGXV4
https /ibb.co/zmTrNDq

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Please don't post multiple identical responses OP..

macman

Why would you trust this clown to come back and fix his own bodges? And no responsible sparky will then come and sign off this work as his own, since he is not registered.
Get someone in who is competent, and not a painter who thinks he can do electrical work.