Apcoa Luton Airport help

clif007

I received a letter from Apcoa (PCN) for the alleged contravention of Dropping off or picking up outside designated areas. Four pictures were included with time, date. However two of there pictures were the same. There is a person picture leaving the car. "The case is as this is a no stopping zone and The Driver stopped."
However later in the letter it's discusses that the "Car park" which is very misleading.

I have read a lot of the forum posts and wanted to ensure this is the correct template to send below.

Appreciate all your help on this matter

Fruitcake

You should edit the penultimate sentence in the first paragraph as it could be interpreted as revealing the driver's identity. I suggest you change it to,
"The case is as this is a no stopping zone and The Driver stopped."

Parking scammers read these fora and have been know to use info' from here against motorists.


As for the template, if this was not a hire or lease car and The Keeper does not live in Scotland or NI, then you should use the template in blue text from post 1 of the NEWBIES.
Either send it unaltered from The Keeper or add a one liner that since byelaws apply, and stopping is not parking, then they should cancel now to save themselves some money.



Complain to the BPA and DVLA that since stopping and/or dropping off is not parking, the scammers have breached their KADOE agreement with the DVLA by asking for keeper personal data.

Have a look at Case number B9GF0A9 in the Oxford County Court, the infamous Jopson vs Homeguard case where a judge defined dropping off as opposed to parking.


19 The appellant’s case could also be put in another way. The purported
prohibition was upon “parking”, and it is possible to draw a real and sensible
distinction between pausing for a few moments or minutes to enable passengers to alight or for awkward or heavy items to be unloaded, and parking in the sense of leaving a car for some significant duration of time.


Please also complain about this unregulated scam to your MP. Remind him/her that a new parking act came in to being last week, and also point out the comments in red from post 1 of the NEWBIES.

Umkomaas

This is how a judge defined dropping off as opposed to parking.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/f6d657adf7df70d27e1dd285688b5701?AccessKeyId=4CB8F 2392A09CF228A46&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

@Fruitcake - the link doesn’t work. If you’ve accessed the transcript via the Pranksters Case Law website, then linked it - from experience, none of them work.

The way I now do it is to just link PP’s Case Law/More Case Law page, then quote the CS0xxx reference number of the case, through which the OP can access the transcript.

Fruitcake

Umkomaas wrote: »

@Fruitcake - the link doesn’t work. If you’ve accessed the transcript via the Pranksters Case Law website, then linked it - from experience, none of them work.

The way I now do it is to just link PP’s Case Law/More Case Law page, then quote the CS0xxx reference number of the case, through which the OP can access the transcript.

Thanks for that. It is actually linked from several other sites including parking cowboys, parking prankster, and legal beagles, so the OP should be able to find it one way or another.

Coupon-mad

clif007 wrote: »

I received a letter from Apcoa (PCN) for the alleged contravention of Dropping off or picking up outside designated areas. Four pictures were included with time, date. However two of there pictures were the same. There is a person picture leaving the car. "The case is as this is a no stopping zone and The Driver stopped."
However later in the letter it's discusses that the "Car park" which is very misleading.

I have read a lot of the forum posts and wanted to ensure this is the correct template to send below.

Appreciate all your help on this matter

Exactly the same as this one (don't say it's not the same as it's a railway car park - it's APCOA so it is always the same!):

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5981630/help-apcoa-pcn-advice-needed

There's no need for any threads about APCOA, they are so easy to beat with the templates from the NEWBIES thread and not saying who was driving.