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VCS Defence

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  • Le_Kirk
    Le_Kirk Posts: 24,865 Forumite
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    Skeleton Arguments are not NECESSARY, they are an aid to the defendant if the case/issue is complicated and act as an aide memoir. Cost schedules used to be recommended to submit a few days before the case but, since a defendant was not awarded high costs due to "late" submission of the costs schedule, the advice is to now submit with the WS and evidence.
  • Umkomaas
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    Will a skeleton argument be necessary in addition to the above witness statement?
    Not essential, but you might want to list the key points of your position to encourage the Judge to look at those as a priority. A bit like a shopping list/aide memoire - not a further War and Peace recitation of what's already been submitted. If you're going to submit one, do it about 3 days before the hearing, copied to the court and all other parties.
    Also am I right in thinking that my costs schedule is given to the court on the day of the hearing
    Definitely not. We have previously advised submitting alongside your skeleton argument, but one PPC argued this was too late, and the Judge swallowed it. So now we are advising a safety first approach by sending it with your Witness Statement (to all parties).

    The one piece of evidence to take to the hearing on the day are copies of some wage slips as proof of earnings levels, if you are claiming loss of earnings/annual leave.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Redx
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    As above , all the skeleton is used for is an aide memoire and to narrow the issues , but not required or necessary

    Taking a costs schedule on the day should be done , but not as an ambush

    Current advice is to submit the WS + Exhibits (evidence) + Costs Schedule by the deadline date listed on the court order , copies go to the court (preferably as a bundle , handed in and a receipt obtained from the clerk) , plus another bundle to the claimant (or their solicitors if they act for the claimant)

    Take a third bundle with you on the day
  • I have already submitted the WS but can email the cost schedule to the Claimant and hand it in to the court today.

    As a contractor, will invoices of previous work be enough to show loss of earnings?
  • Redx
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    Do that asap and take all evidence that proves your costs claims , so yes , take invoices , bank statements etc on the day

    And are you saying that you have not submitted any evidence ? If not , why not ??
  • Yes the evidence as in the exhibits mentioned in my WS were all included with the submissions to the court, the Claimant and in an email to the Claimant as well.
  • Umkomaas
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    Redx wrote: »
    Do that asap and take all evidence that proves your costs claims , so yes , take invoices , bank statements etc on the day

    And are you saying that you have not submitted any evidence ? If not , why not ??

    I have to say that loss of earnings for self employed defendants have not always been granted, in some contrast to those in direct employment. But if you don't try you don't get, but don't be floored if the Judge knocks you back.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Redx
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    Then that is what should have said earlier as in post #55 above

    So now get your costs schedule submitted to both , then prepare your proof of earnings for court day and take them with you
  • Any advice on whats a reasonable amount of time for Litigant In Person? I think I have spent a around 8 hours researching and drafting etc but don't want it to appear excessive.

    And Parking, I don't know how long until the hearing is completed so do I claim up to 2 hours (£8) or is 2-4 hours (£18) acceptable?
  • Umkomaas
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    Any advice on whats a reasonable amount of time for Litigant In Person? I think I have spent a around 8 hours researching and drafting etc but don't want it to appear excessive.

    And Parking, I don't know how long until the hearing is completed so do I claim up to 2 hours (£8) or is 2-4 hours (£18) acceptable?
    It's difficult to offer firm advice, but very often Judges refuse any LiP time at all. Some give a couple of hours, up to five. Pitch it there unless you're really going for the jugular on costs because of very unreasonable behaviour - but that's an extremely high bar.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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