PCN car parking and select services

Proverbial

Hi,

Earlier today i received a PCN from car parking and select services (will post their full details at the end of this post) in Doncaster. This was for "not clearly displaying a valid ticket" - I did purchase a ticket (which can be backed up by bank records) but can only assume it got flipped by wind when getting out of the car / shutting the door, and so appeared upside down on the dash.

It is for £100 but reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days. They claim they are an IPC member but I can't seem to find them listed on the IPC site. Reading other threads here suggest they aren't a member but I think I came across one from 2017 suggesting they might be. Does anyone know if they are?

I'd appeal but no doubt it would just get rejected and they'd get my details in the process.

Company details:
CPS Services Limited / Car parking & select services
21 Chester Street
Mansfield
Nottinghamshire
NG19 6NJ

Website on ticket: carparkingselect (com)

Any and all advice is appreciated. Thanks!

The_Deep

Most judges regard flipped tickets as a trifle, and the law does not concern itself with trifles,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis

and a waste of court time. One judge threw out such a case as he thought that the ticket was too flimsy and should have had a sticky back, as most council tickets do.

The whole industry is a scam, relying on threats of court, and the public's ignorance of the Law, A bill is currently before parliament which will regulate the scammers, many of whom are ex-clampers.

This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of alleged contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors. Is has been suggested by an MP that some of these companies may have connections to organised crime.

Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, (especially Smart}, and others have already been named and shamed in the House of Commons as have Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each week), hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned. They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

The problem has become so widespread that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers.

Sir Greg Knight's Private Members Bill to curb the excesses, and perhaps close down, some of these companies passed its Second Reading in the Lords this month, and, with a fair wind, will l become Law later this year..

All five readings are available to watch on the internet, (some 7-8 hours), and published in Hansard. MPs have an extremely low opinion of the industry. Many are complaining that they are becoming overwhelmed by complaints from members of the public. Add to their burden, complain in the most robust terms about the scammers.

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Coupon-mad

I did purchase a ticket (which can be backed up by bank records) but can only assume it got flipped by wind when getting out of the car / shutting the door, and so appeared upside down on the dash.

BLUTACK is the answer to stop that. I keep a blob in my glovebox.

So here is their website, which carries the IPC AOS logo at the bottom:

http://www.carparkingselect.com/

I think they used to be IPC members as I recall the name, but I can't see that company listed under the IPC AOS members, either:

https://theipc.info/aos-members/c

LOL at their awful English here, and I've never seen a firm put warnings on cars first, then only ticket them second time around. Sounds like porky pies:

On spotting a unauthorisedly parked vehicle, we stick a caution notice on the window of the car to inform the driver politely about the parking regulations in force. The notice also encourages the driver to purchase a parking permit. Upon noticing a repeat parking abuse by a vehicle, our parking patrol wardens issue parking charge notice (PCN).

Their appeals tab still calls the IPC the 'Independent Parking Committee' (a name not used for 3 years) and the link to their 'privacy statement' down the bottom left, leads to no such thing, which is illegal under the GDPR.

I tend to think, wait and see if they send you a Notice to Keeper. Do not appeal.

You could send an email to the DVLA and tell them that this firm is saying they are in the IPC but are not listed on the IPC website, and the firm have no privacy statement on their own website which breaks the law, so you want the DVLA to note your concerns and block this firm from obtaining your data if they try. Otherwise, can the DVLA check and confirm by return, that this firm is not on any AOS list, and confirm that they won't release data to such a firm who are not in any ATA.

Tell the DVLA you would email the IPC to ask but as the DVLA know, the IPC make themselves almost impossible to contact without giving away an arm and a leg in data, as they don't give an email address like the BPA do.

The_Deep

Also complain to your MP.

The whole industry is a scam, relying on threats of court, and the public's ignorance of the Law, A bill is currently before parliament which will regulate the scammers, many of whom are ex-clampers.

This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of alleged contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors. Is has been suggested by an MP that some of these companies may have connections to organised crime.

Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, (especially Smart}, and others have already been named and shamed in the House of Commons as have Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each week), hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned. They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

The problem has become so widespread that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers.

Sir Greg Knight's Private Members Bill to curb the excesses, and perhaps close down, some of these companies passed its Second Reading in the Lords this month, and, with a fair wind, will l become Law later this year..

All five readings are available to watch on the internet, (some 7-8 hours), and published in Hansard. MPs have an extremely low opinion of the industry. Many are complaining that they are becoming overwhelmed by complaints from members of the public. Add to their burden, complain in the most robust terms about the scammers.

Proverbial

Thanks for the responses.

Coupon-mad wrote: »

LOL at their awful English here, and I've never seen a firm put warnings on cars first, then only ticket them second time around. Sounds like porky pies:

Definitely porky pies.

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Their appeals tab still calls the IPC the 'Independent Parking Committee' (a name not used for 3 years) and the link to their 'privacy statement' down the bottom left, leads to no such thing, which is illegal under the GDPR.

I tend to think, wait and see if they send you a Notice to Keeper. Do not appeal.

You could send an email to the DVLA and tell them that this firm is saying they are in the IPC but are not listed on the IPC website, and the firm have no privacy statement on their own website which breaks the law, so you want the DVLA to note your concerns and block this firm from obtaining your data if they try. Otherwise, can the DVLA check and confirm by return, that this firm is not on any AOS list, and confirm that they won't release data to such a firm who are not in any ATA.

Tell the DVLA you would email the IPC to ask but as the DVLA know, the IPC make themselves almost impossible to contact without giving away an arm and a leg in data, as they don't give an email address like the BPA do.

I think I will email the DVLA regarding what you said above, thanks for the suggestion. And in-turn ignore them for now and see what happens.