Self-driving cars more dangerous

spikyone

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

And they're 59% worse than us, is the point

No they're not. That is the point. Tesla's system is not fully automated. It relies on the driver to intervene if there is a problem. The thing that is causing the accident is the idiot behind the wheel that treats it as though it is a fully automated system, and is distracted or unprepared to take control.

Conversely, though...

movilogo wrote: »

AI will get better over time. That's normal. In 20 years time driving will be a lost art.

This is neither a good thing nor a bad thing. Just change which comes over period of time.

As a petrolhead, I sincerely hope not. Some people actually enjoy driving and see a car as something more than white goods for the driveway; a fact that's often forgotten when the left-leaning media portray self-driving cars as some sort of utopia. The world is increasingly becoming a joyless place.

movilogo

In a way I prefer robots driving. At least you can update the software to improve their driving skills over time.

This is better than some idiot human drivers whose egos prevent them improving their driving.

webjaved

kabayiri wrote: »

Round here, we have minicab drivers with the customer awareness skills of your typical Terminator.

Might as well have the real thing.

Most I've come across think the road is only for them and they can make up rules on how they want to drive. So careless and inconsiderate.

System

webjaved wrote: »

Most I've come across think the road is only for them and they can make up rules on how they want to drive.

When autonomous cars encounter daredevil cyclists and pedestrians playing chicken just for the fun of seeing the car react, they will have to start doing exactly that.
If someone makes as if to deliberately jump in front of an autonomous car, it will pretty quickly have to decide whether to slam the brakes on or deliberately run him down.


Once people realise that autonomous cars can always be fooled into giving way, traffic will come to a standstill. Alternatively, autonomous cars will have to start making up rules and killing people.

Nasqueron

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

Blade runner :rotfl:

but even with these 'bad android' efforts the androids last forever or they could

actual androids will run on Windows and will keep crashing or mistake themselves for the gas boiler

I've got a laptop that thinks it's a phone

androids, same thing

Blade Runner replicants were designed to have a fixed life time then die and it was only the ones in the film who even got to Earth to try and get the kill switch off as the rest were offworld workers

Zxcv_Bnm

Nasqueron wrote: »

Blade Runner replicants were designed to have a fixed life time then die

Yes because before long they started killing people!

System

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

Yes because before long they started killing people!

That's bound to happen with any AI self-learning device surely?


Unless they have a very strong moral sense embedded in them, at some point they will realise that killing people is of benefit to their own species.


If an autonomous car is so clever that it can make decisions about running down one old person versus a queue of school children, then before long it will get the get an appetite for running into people.
Or instead of a moral sense, perhaps it just needs to have an anal paranoia about not scratching its own paintwork?

MobileSaver

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

have to wait a bit longer for this one i think

As the article states, those results are completely out of date and irrelevant anyway so your waiting may already be over...

the NHTSA report focused on version 1 of the Autopilot hardware, which Tesla hasn't sold since 2016.

their analysis today represents about 0.5 percent of the total mileage that Tesla vehicles have travelled to date

Fundamentally though my understanding is that most crashes occur when the "driver" ignores the car's warnings so hardly Tesla's fault.

I've had and used regularly self-steering and automatic-braking/accelerating on my Lexus for well over 10 years now and never once had an issue so I'm pretty sure that I know where the real problem lies...

phillw

Nullboris wrote: »

What will all the Boy racers do tho? most normal ppl will adapt, but IDiots who need to demonstrate their Persona by dangerous driving will end up beating people up instead?

I don't think you can assume that someone who has an accident because they drive like an idiot will transfer to making a conscious decision to hurt people.

They'll find something that impresses girls and gives them a rush, maybe they'll start a business and become a millionaire

System

phillw wrote: »

I maybe they'll start a business and become a millionaire

There should be an opening for a new kind of car accident and recovery service. Cars are very unreliable, and often break down from damp, potholes, punctures, electrical faults. The new breed of recovery operator will need to be able to deactivate a damaged or malfunctioning autonomous car, possibly sedate it, so that it can be safely winched onto the recovery lorry.