Equal pay -supermarkets

batg

Andy_L wrote: »

this isn't about back vs front of store jobs though. Its about store vs distribution depot

when the lorry backs up the driver (sometimes) and the store warehouse stuff "tip" the lorry, ie unload it. Everything comes on either pallets, cages or toats (blue plastic boxes). Store staff other than the warehouse staff are not allowed to do it

When the cages/toats/pallets are dragged into zones by the warehouse staff, people from the shop floor come in and drag them onto the shop floor and then fill the shelves/displays etc with it.

So I can see that the shop floor staff think they are doing depot work in reverse (but only up to a point!)

Andy_L

batg wrote: »

So I can see that the shop floor staff think they are doing depot work in reverse (but only up to a point!)

the case doesn't hinge on them thinking doing doing depot work in reverse. Its that whilst the jobs are different they are of equal job weight ie the combination of skills, qualifications, experience needed and working conditions encountered etc are about the same

batg

Andy_L wrote: »

the case doesn't hinge on them thinking doing doing depot work in reverse. Its that whilst the jobs are different they are of equal job weight ie the combination of skills, qualifications, experience needed and working conditions encountered etc are about the same

Yeh I know.
I can see their point to a point, but only to a point lol
working conditions are considerably different between depots and stores.
I would love to see someone on the shop floor working to tight pick rates, and I'd love someone from the depot to see how much abuse shop floor staff get from customers.

System

batg wrote: »

Yeh I know.
I can see their point to a point, but only to a point lol
working conditions are considerably different between depots and stores.
I would love to see someone on the shop floor working to tight pick rates, and I'd love someone from the depot to see how much abuse shop floor staff get from customers.

As long as the company can clearly show a difference in job roles between stores and distribution in the eyes of the law then nothing to worry about.

The fact that this case has got this far means that the law has to clarify it because the industrial tribunal found in favour of ASDA shop employees.

ohreally

John_G_Jones wrote: »

The work, of course, is never equal.

The term is work of equal value. I don't believe claims of comparators to be "equal" are on the money.

John_G_Jones

john22 wrote: »

again over simplification.

I work for Tesco and they pay the same rate of pay for someone on the checkout as they do with someone filling the shelfs. That indicates to me that Tesco rate both jobs of equal value which to me makes sense as we are overall contributing to the profits of tesco..

That’s probably the most stupid argument I’ve ever read.

Messi and the guy who sells the tickets both contribute to the profits of their club, but that is no reason to claim that they should both be paid the same.

I’m open to the idea that there may have once been a case where different jobs were honestly equivalent, but have you a case in mind that would demonstrate this?

System

John_G_Jones wrote: »

That’s probably the most stupid argument I’ve ever read.

Messi and the guy who sells the tickets both contribute to the profits of their club, but that is no reason to claim that they should both be paid the same.

I’m open to the idea that there may have once been a case where different jobs were honestly equivalent, but have you a case in mind that would demonstrate this?

I don’t need to present any case. All I’m saying is that it’s a grey area as why else would it be going through the courts.

ASDA has to clearly show that the job role beteeen stores and warehouse is clear enough to justify the pay difference. They have so far not demonstrated that with this ongoing current case.

I don’t care if they win or lose as long as due process is allow to run it’s course. I’m not going to armchair it and decide the outcome because I don’t have all the facts and don’t pretend to understand the mechanics of law.