Private "Parking Ticket" REJECTED

The_Deep

Misty is right, play your cards right and you could clobber them for a few hundred pounds, AND you would be giving them a well-deserved kick in the nuts.

Umkomaas

If the signage has only just been erected, why is it showing that LDK are BPA Approved Operators when they have been members of the IPC since April 2017?

It's an offence to be displaying such logos when they are not a member of such a 'regulatory' body. It's for complaint to the Office for Fair Trading - do some digging.

Fruitcake

Umkomaas wrote: »

If the signage has only just been erected, why is it showing that LDK are BPA Approved Operators when they have been members of the IPC since April 2017?

It's an offence to be displaying such logos when they are not a member of such a 'regulatory' body. It's for complaint to the Office for Fair Trading - do some digging.

Well spotted. The BPA should be informed, and most definitely a complaint should be made to the DVLA. The Keeper should also be asking for a PoPLA code.

In addition, the local council planning department should be contacted to see if advertising consent has been obtained for those signs. Not having it is a criminal offence so the council need to know about this, and the fact they are displaying unlawful information by having the BPA logo.

If anyone pays one of these charges when there is so much wrongdoing going on, they want their head read.

Umkomaas

Well spotted.

At first I was going to respond by saying that as the BPA roundel was on the sign (and thus LDK was a BPA AOS member), the OP would be appealing to POPLA not the IAS A's was hinted at earlier in the thread, then thought I'd better check the IAS and BPA listings ........!

In terms of the actual signage, I think the complaint should first go into the BPA who will no doubt require LDK to remove them and have them reprinted with the correct logos. Then when they've been through all that palaver and re-erected the new signage, that's the time to report them to the council. They might have to take them down all over again!

johnsw

Thanks!

I'm afraid I'm completely out of my depths on this one and would greatly appreciate further guidance. Although I seem reassured I have little chance of losing, and could even counter-claim, I'm concerned I may lose and have to pay a huge sum to these crooks!

Just to recap:
- I don't have photographic proof the signs were not there on the day I parked (only suggestion).
- I don't have photographic proof the woman had put signs up on that day (only suggestion).
- I have evidence the sign was not there July 2018
- I have 2 separate videos of the woman carrying a sign to the side of the vehicle
- I have a recording of the woman saying she hadn't because she had no glue (signs on with cable ties)
- Having appealed I'm being told I must pay £90.00 even though it was made within 14 days.
- Registered keeper hasn't received anything as it's too early (date of issue 10/01/2019)
- Sign says BPA Approved Operators but they're now IPC
- Sign next to car is no longer there and believe this was taken down by a resident
- ticket given does say they are IPC accredited, not BPA

I will:
- Go to the site tomorrow and photograph signs in the area.

So if I've got this right, you think I should:
- Complaint to MP (what has happened re: signs and not offered reduced rate)
- Complaint to Trading Standards (what has happened re: signs and not offered reduced rate)
- Complaint to Office for Fair Trading (what has happened re: signs and not offered reduced rate)
- Local council planning department should be contacted to see if advertising consent has been obtained (complaint)
- Complaint to BPA (about them using their logos on present signage)
- My appeal is with POPLA not , so I need to ask LDK for a code?
- Can I also complain to IPC?

At what stage can I "clobber them for a few hundred pound" :rotfl:

Thanks! This sounds like a juicy one. :T:T

johnsw

also I forgot to add the registered keeper called the issuer, gave first name and registration etc and explained what had happened, prior to the appeal, that there was no signage on the entrance when the vehicle was parked and multiple signs had been carried out the car into the vicinity. We hoped they would write the ticket off without going through the bother of sending everything in. Poor choice but the more you know and won't do it again :rotfl: We've still got a case though right? How can we strengthen this? I guess if I can find other people who pictures just prior to the date of issue showing no signage we can present this as further evidence to use in conjunction with the video footage?

johnsw

Here's an imgur album from today (from window) and yesterday (signs) ... 8 images

hxxps://imgur.com/a/UlBzOXP

How they have the cheek I do not know. Feeling more confident about this.

Both signs are different. The sign inside the site (out of view from where my car was parked) has different payments to the other (£90 reducing to £60) and the other states £45 increasing to £90). Both were likely put up that day. The sign placed next to my car seems like a newer version due to lower fine and less aggressive wording.

Very confusing and font is quite small. Both signs have different terms.

Note one sign has been removed and half the other has been torn off. All this supports the notion the signs were not there until I recorded them taking them out their car.

hxxps://imgur.com/a/UlBzOXP

Next steps? I'm going to try and see if anyone had pictures just before the 10th

Note: signs all still have old logo yet the date on google maps tells us they have only recently been put up.

Fruitcake

johnsw wrote: »

Here's an imgur album from today (from window) and yesterday (signs) ... 8 images

hxxps://imgur.com/a/UlBzOXP

How they have the cheek I do not know. Feeling more confident about this.

Both signs are different. The sign inside the site (out of view from where my car was parked) has different payments to the other (£90 reducing to £60) and the other states £45 increasing to £90). Both were likely put up that day. The sign placed next to my car seems like a newer version due to lower fine and less aggressive wording.

Very confusing and font is quite small. Both signs have different terms.

Note one sign has been removed and half the other has been torn off. All this supports the notion the signs were not there until I recorded them taking them out their car.

hxxps://imgur.com/a/UlBzOXP

Next steps? I'm going to try and see if anyone had pictures just before the 10th

Note: signs all still have old logo yet the date on google maps tells us they have only recently been put up.

https://imgur.com/a/UlBzOXP

Good set of pics. There is one without the charge amount, and several with the BPA logo.

I would go for complaints to the BPA, IPC, and most definitely the DVLA about the signs with the BPA roundel as well as your MP.

Not being offered the reduced rate is minor. Trying to extort money with menaces using out of date signs from a different trade organisation to which they do not belong is much more serious.

You MUST complain to the DVLA whatever else you do, with images of those signs and a screenshot or similar from the scammers website that shows they are not BPA members.

Umkomaas

You could also insist on a POPLA Code from LDK, because being an 'AOS member' of the BPA (as per the legal contract they purport you have entered into on their car park, via their signage, indicated by their use of the BPA AOS roundel imprimatur), you are entitled to appeal to POPLA.

Give them an avalanche of shiite and they may well throw their cards in.