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Low emissions zone?

I'm hearing so many different conflicting reports

Any solid facts?

How will this affect the second hand market?

I wouldn't mind picking up a diesel car if they are very very cheap now, and I just wouldn't drive in the low emissions zome

Some people thought they were safe with a plug in hybrid but now some are saying that even these will have to pay emissions charges

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  • forgotmyname
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    Diesel cars are the same price.

    If all the cars have no emissions they will just change the name and charge the same. Its not an emissions charge anymore its a congestion charge?? Then it will be your vehicle is spoiling the view of the almost empty road tax.

    Death and taxes are for life.
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  • AdrianC
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    The LEZ is already in place for commercials, across the entirety of the London Boroughs except for a few trunk routes, and has been for a decade and a half. The T-Charge came into effect in the Congestion Zone in October 2017 - cutoff point is Euro 4 for both petrol and diesel, £10 on top of the CC.

    I think you're thinking of the ULEZ - coming in April to the Congestion Zone, extending to the North and South Circulars from October 2021. The cut-off point will be Euro 4 petrol (roughly 2006) and Euro 6 diesel (roughly 2015), because that's when the allowable NOx emissions fell to their current levels. The cost will be £12.50/day.

    Given that the petrol cars affected will be 15yo+, there won't be much effect on values. There are very few older hybrids, and very few diesel hybrids, so most hybrids will be fine and dandy.
    For diesels, anything under 6yo will be OK - there might be a mild effect, but I suspect it'll be more "mindset" than anything else.
  • Nasqueron
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    Other cities are doing emission zones as well by the way...


    Birmingham is almost certainly having one from 2020 based on NO2 emissions so anyone driving into the city on an older diesel or a particularly dirty one will end up paying - estimates are around 60% of vehicles passing through the city won't comply.

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

  • AdrianC
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    Nasqueron wrote: »
    Other cities are doing emission zones as well by the way...
    Yes, they are. But only relatively tiny central zones.

    Birmingham is almost certainly having one from 2020 based on NO2 emissions so anyone driving into the city on an older diesel or a particularly dirty one will end up paying - estimates are around 60% of vehicles passing through the city won't comply.
    Brum's "Clean Air Charge" is two miles at the widest point. To drive around the Brum zone on the (exempt) ring will add a little more than half a mile.



    By comparison, the 2021 London ULEZ is 16.5 miles wide, and more than 3.5m people live inside it...
  • Nasqueron
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    AdrianC wrote: »
    Yes, they are. But only relatively tiny central zones.



    Brum's "Clean Air Charge" is two miles at the widest point. To drive around the Brum zone on the (exempt) ring will add a little more than half a mile.



    By comparison, the 2021 London ULEZ is 16.5 miles wide, and more than 3.5m people live inside it...


    London has had an established emissions / congestion zone for a while and has expanded it over time. The city centre is obviously bigger than Birmingham's hence it being bigger. Obviously Birmingham could choose to expand it as the council wishes



    If you need to drive into Birmingham for work (as many do choose to) then it's the same principle as London, on a smaller scale. Whether it's 200m or 200 miles wide is irrelevant as you have to pay to drive in, being able to drive around it is fine and dandy until you have to, at some point, turn into it to get to your job.

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

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