Reasonable price for pet licence?

G_M

Davesnave wrote: »

I was right; the cat exists.

Sorry! Hang on! Did I miss the bit where the OP opened the box?


Oh! No....that's where you find out if the cat is dead or alive. Is this one alive or are we yet to open the box?

Gers

G_M wrote: »

Sorry! Hang on! Did I miss the bit where the OP opened the box?


Oh! No....that's where you find out if the cat is dead or alive. Is this one alive or are we yet to open the box?

Schrödinger's cat?

Davesnave

In my universe, the cat is alive and running free, not confined to the box or the flat as a house cat!

Naturally, you are welcome to your own universes. :A

By the way, what can I do with a surplus radioactive isotope, or is that really a question for 'In My Home?'

ThisTimeNextYear

Comms69 wrote: »

The situation is that the tenant can get a pet, without your permission. And without penalty.

The tenancy agreement does require the tenant to seek permission before getting a pet, which is what has happened.

You keep mixing up the terms. You are the leaseholder, you are most likely requesting the permission/license from the Freeholder.

You're right, I missed that. Sorry for any confusion caused.

For the future, telling a completely different story is not more simple. Just tell it as it actually is from the start for the most relevant advice.

Thanks for the advice, however in this case the vast majority of responses were totally relevant to my situation. IMHO It is possible to give too much information and confuse the underlying issue.

On a side note, if it's a block of only 10 flats, it might be worth exploring the option of purchasing the freehold together with the other leaseholders

Excellent advice, we have already explored this, and it is something _most_ owners want. We've already formed a management company, and saved thousands of pounds vs. what we previously had to pay. We have also carried out all the essential maintenance work that was regularly neglected by the previous property maintenance company.


Loving the Schrödinger's cat advice too! I don't think I've opened the box, but maybe I did in another universe.

Comms69

ThisTimeNextYear wrote: »

The tenancy agreement does require the tenant to seek permission before getting a pet, which is what has happened. - It could require the tenant to dress up in a pink tutu every 3rd Friday. Such a clause doesn't actually mean anything. Your options, should a tenant ignore this clause, is to evict. Which means going to court. It means no viewings. It means that you have a void for what could be a significant period of time; marketing fees and ultimately another risk in terms of the new tenant.



You're right, I missed that. Sorry for any confusion caused.



Thanks for the advice, however in this case the vast majority of responses were totally relevant to my situation. IMHO It is possible to give too much information and confuse the underlying issue. - Actually your issue is that you are liable for a licence, the cost of which cannot be enforced against your tenant..



Excellent advice, we have already explored this, and it is something _most_ owners want. We've already formed a management company, and saved thousands of pounds vs. what we previously had to pay. We have also carried out all the essential maintenance work that was regularly neglected by the previous property maintenance company.


Loving the Schrödinger's cat advice too! I don't think I've opened the box, but maybe I did in another universe.

Please don't confuse what you believe a contract can do, with what it actually can do.

ThisTimeNextYear

Comms69 wrote: »

Please don't confuse what you believe a contract can do, with what it actually can do.

I'm not sure I follow your point?

The wording of our tenancy agreement is: -

8.20. Not keep any cat, dog, bird or other pet at the Premises without the Landlord’s written consent, such consent, if granted, to be revocable at will by the Landlord upon giving reasonable written notice. If consent is given, the Tenant agrees to have the Premises professionally cleaned with de-infestation cleaner at the Tenant’s cost upon termination of the tenancy.

I would tell you what the lease says, but I probably would need permission from the freeholder to reproduce the document... a licence for which will cost me £220 + vat

Red-Squirrel_2

ThisTimeNextYear wrote: »

I'm not sure I follow your point?

The wording of our tenancy agreement is: -

8.20. Not keep any cat, dog, bird or other pet at the Premises without the Landlord’s written consent, such consent, if granted, to be revocable at will by the Landlord upon giving reasonable written notice. If consent is given, the Tenant agrees to have the Premises professionally cleaned with de-infestation cleaner at the Tenant’s cost upon termination of the tenancy.

I would tell you what the lease says, but I probably would need permission from the freeholder to reproduce the document... a licence for which will cost me £220 + vat

I hope that if you were to revoke consent for a pet you would also release them from the tenancy at that point so that they could move somewhere with the pet?

Comms69

ThisTimeNextYear wrote: »

I'm not sure I follow your point? - Ok, let's say the tenant just gets a pet, what will you do? What do you sue for? Eviction?

The wording of our tenancy agreement is: -

8.20. Not keep any cat, dog, bird or other pet - so non-domestic animals are fine? at the Premises without the Landlord’s written consent, such consent, if granted, to be revocable at will by the Landlord - suggest such a term would be unenforceable. For example you cannot consent to a sexual act, and the following day revoke that consent. You've allowed the action to happen. upon giving reasonable written notice. - define reasonable? One might argue it would be the length of the tenancy, as getting rid of a pet is a highly emotive subject. If consent is given, the Tenant agrees to have the Premises professionally cleaned - which accreditation would you like this professional to have? Define professional. with de-infestation cleaner at the Tenant’s cost upon termination of the tenancy.

I would tell you what the lease says, but I probably would need permission from the freeholder to reproduce the document... a licence for which will cost me £220 + vat

You see how that clause is suddenly full of holes?

You do not require permission to quote a document. Copyright law does not work that way.

davidmcn

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

I hope that if you were to revoke consent for a pet you would also release them from the tenancy at that point so that they could move somewhere with the pet?

Yes, what on earth is a "reasonable" period to tell someone to get rid of their pet?

Red-Squirrel_2

davidmcn wrote: »

Yes, what on earth is a "reasonable" period to tell someone to get rid of their pet?

Knowingly adding to the huge problem of homeless/unwanted animals in rescues and shelters up and down the country as well as the distress caused to the owners and the animal.