New boiler or repair?

southcoastrgi

Well I do agree with you on a couple of points there are some RGI that shouldn't be anywhere near gas I also agree that you should know your limitations now onto your post.

If you do any work on gas you should carry out your 26.9 checks, now obv both you & the OP know what these are don't you ?

The gas regs require you to be competent however the fact that the OP doesn't know how a gas valve works & that you don't know that the gas valve on a balanced flued boiler doesn't effect the "mixture" tells me that neither of you are competent.

So yes you pay to make sure you & your family are safe & if I want to save a couple of quid on my van brakes to protect mine & others lives I'll know where to come

bris

Homersimpson wrote: »

The gas regs don't require you to be registered to work on gas in your own home only to be competent and don't for one minute think being registered makes anyone competent. It also doesn't absolve them from making a mistake and being liable for it.

Wrong, no one can carry out work on gas carrying components without being gas safe registered.
When they say competent they mean fully trained and approved by the gas safe register.


The OP in this case is far, far from competent, in fact he's down right dangerous. He was asked questions about checks that are necessary to ensure the safe operation of the boiler and yet has no idea what they are, and to boot it's a second hand gas valve.
https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/media/1449/who-can-legally-work-on-a-gas-appliance-factsheet.pdf
Do some homework before you encourage others to put their family's lives at risk.

Dan-Dan

Homersimpson wrote: »

Once again the registered gas installers try and frighten the life out of anyone who dares to touch their precious gas. Its a good way of preserving their cash cow.

The gas regs don't require you to be registered to work on gas in your own home only to be competent and don't for one minute think being registered makes anyone competent. It also doesn't absolve them from making a mistake and being liable for it.

I've employed two RGI, the first one left me with a serious leak, I couldn't get hold of him so called the gas board who capped the meter off, the second one put a cap end on a pipe in the airing cupboard at my mum and dads which fell off when touched with some towels and gas poured out so I had to frantically find the meter box key!

All that matters is that you do a good job and know your limitations. I personally know that I can't solder for toffee so I don't try on gas pipes, changing a few screwed on fittings or electrical bits on the other hand is fairly simple if you know what your doing.

Also bear in mind that with a balanced flue there are no products of combustion in the room (assuming its not leaking) and therefore the risks from an incorrect mixture are removed although it does need setting correctly for economy. I also always have a carbon monoxide alarm in any location where I have a gas appliance (and also where my wood burner is located).

As an aside I can also rebuild the brakes on my car (have done so on dozens of vehicles). This has a far higher risk of death to it and yet you don't see mechanics bleating on about not touching your car!

Just remember the Ronan Point disaster was caused by a professional gas installer and was the start of the CORGI registration scheme for those charging for gas work.

Imbecile :eek:

Homersimpson

southcoastrgi wrote: »

Well I do agree with you on a couple of points there are some RGI that shouldn't be anywhere near gas I also agree that you should know your limitations now onto your post.

If you do any work on gas you should carry out your 26.9 checks, now obv both you & the OP know what these are don't you ?
that would be these:

9) Where a person performs work on a gas appliance he shall immediately thereafter examine—
(a) the effectiveness of any flue;
(b) the supply of combustion air;
(c) its operating pressure or heat input or, where necessary, both;
(d) its operation so as to ensure its safe functioning

I read the GSIUR they are very interesting.



The gas regs require you to be competent however the fact that the OP doesn't know how a gas valve works & that you don't know that the gas valve on a balanced flued boiler doesn't effect the "mixture" tells me that neither of you are competent.

Where did I say that the gas valve would alter the mixture, I simply mentioned that if you did change anything that could alter the mixture it would need to be adjusted to get the correct economy.

So yes you pay to make sure you & your family are safe & if I want to save a couple of quid on my van brakes to protect mine & others lives I'll know where to come

No problem at all, I will do your brakes, you can service my boiler

Homersimpson

bris wrote: »

Wrong, no one can carry out work on gas carrying components without being gas safe registered.
When they say competent they mean fully trained and approved by the gas safe register.

Wrong, what the GSIUR say is that anyone working on gas has to be competent, anyone working on it as an employee or self employed (i.e. anyone working on gas for money) needs to be registered. The most important point above all else is the word competent, if I work on my boiler and it blows up then I wasn't competent, the same applies to an RGI, if I work on it and then its fine then I am competent that's all the law requires.
Like it or not it is as cut and dried as that.

The OP in this case is far, far from competent, in fact he's down right dangerous. He was asked questions about checks that are necessary to ensure the safe operation of the boiler and yet has no idea what they are, and to boot it's a second hand gas valve.
https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/media/1449/who-can-legally-work-on-a-gas-appliance-factsheet.pdf
Do some homework before you encourage others to put their family's lives at risk.

And once again my car brake example comes into force, go over to the motoring forum on here and people are encouraging others to work on their own brakes. I know what I would prefer and which one is more likely to cause massive death and destruction

Homersimpson

Dan-Dan wrote: »

Imbecile :eek:

I would ask for your money back from that charm school, everything in my post is technically correct if you can't come back with a reasoned argument unlike southcoastrgi above then it may be you who is actually the imbecile

Homersimpson

To all the above posters, I didn't come here for an argument, I have my opinion, you have yours. Remember that people come in three forms with this issue.

Those who won't touch gas at all.
Those who will do certain things and make a good job but know their limitations.
Those who will do whatever they want and may or may not get it right.

I and I suspect the OP fall into the second group.

People in the last category will do whatever they want regardless of what you or I say.

Have a very happy new year.

shaun_from_Africa

bris wrote: »

Wrong, no one can carry out work on gas carrying components without being gas safe registered.
When they say competent they mean fully trained and approved by the gas safe register.

You've stated this before and when you stated it previously it was incorrect just as it's still incorrect now.
You only have to be on the gas safe register when carrying out work on gas appliances or installations when you are being employed to do so or working on these items in a rental property.
In your own private property, no registration is required, only competence in the work.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/regulation/3/made

3;(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.
(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

The Health and safety executive:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/consult/disdocs/dde14b.pdf
An old document but the legistation they refer to is the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998, shown above.

While current law does not prohibit DIY gas work provided that the person is competent to do it safely, DIY is strongly discouraged in HSE guidance and the use of a CORGI registered gas installer is advised for all gas work.

and a more up to date HSE one here where they also state that you only need to be registered to work on gas if you are employed to do so:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/domestic/faqownerocc.htm

Do I have to use a Gas Safe registered engineer to complete gas work?
Anyone employed to work on gas appliances in domestic premises must be a Gas Safe registered engineer and competent in that area of gas work. The gas engineer's competencies are clearly marked on the back of the engineer's Gas Safe Register ID card.

I'm not saying that it's safe for non Gas safe registered people to work on gas appliances or installations, simply that it's not automatically illegal for them to do so simply because they are not registered.

George_Michael

Dan-Dan wrote: »

Imbecile :eek:

I think that your debating method needs a bit more work before you try again.