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Malthusian

itwasntme001 wrote: »

Scarce labour for flipping burgers is probably a good thing: Means higher cost of burgers means people cant afford to have burgers means they are hopefully more likely to eat more healthy food means less NHS pressure long term.

No it doesn't. It means more pressure on the NHS, more pills, more hip replacements and more dementia care, plus higher State Pension costs. We can not afford for people to live longer.

If sacrificing the nation on the altar of the NHS is the be-all and end-all, then staying in the EU is incredibly important as we need to import lots of cheap labour, a) to keep the price of McDonalds and KFC low, and b) to feed the infinite labour demand of the NHS.

This is why Remainers call the UK "the sick man of Europe".

itwasntme001

Malthusian wrote: »

No it doesn't. It means more pressure on the NHS, more pills, more hip replacements and more dementia care, plus higher State Pension costs. We can not afford for people to live longer.

If sacrificing the nation on the altar of the NHS is the be-all and end-all, then staying in the EU is incredibly important as we need to import lots of cheap labour, a) to keep the price of McDonalds and KFC low, and b) to feed the infinite labour demand of the NHS.

This is why Remainers call the UK "the sick man of Europe".

Isn't it just easier to just stop the immigrants who end up flipping burgers?

Herzlos

itwasntme001 wrote: »

Scarce labour for flipping burgers is probably a good thing: Means higher cost of burgers means people cant afford to have burgers means they are hopefully more likely to eat more healthy food means less NHS pressure long term. Think of flipping burger labour shortage as an indirect sugar tax.

Even though healthier food usually costs more?


Making burgers more expensive will just mean people stop buying burgers and instead of getting some protein need to make do with chips.


His example wasn't purely about burgers, anyway.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

History shows they don't though.

I remember when the advent of the computer was supposed to make vast swathes of administrative jobs redundant, when ATM machines were supposed to make all the bank cashiers redundant, etc, yet here we are today with all-time record high employment and record low unemployment.

Maybe 'it's different this time', but history also shows that people uttering that expression about economic fundamentals are almost always wrong...

Not convinced that will be the case and am also not convinced many of new low paid jobs contribute enough to finances of country.

MobileSaver

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

employment today is at a record high and unemployment is at a record low.

ukcarper wrote: »

Not convinced that will be the case

I'm with Hamish on this, I'm old enough that all through my working life I've heard that people's jobs will be replaced by:

• Computers
• The internet
• Robots
• Drones
• AI

Yet here we are 30 years on and there are more jobs for people than ever.

ukcarper

MobileSaver wrote: »

I'm with Hamish on this, I'm old enough that all through my working life I've heard that people's jobs will be replaced by:

• Computers
• The internet
• Robots
• Drones
• AI

Yet here we are 30 years on and there are more jobs for people than ever.

I've also heard the same but there must be a saturation point.

kabayiri

MobileSaver wrote: »

I'm with Hamish on this, I'm old enough that all through my working life I've heard that people's jobs will be replaced by:

• Computers
• The internet
• Robots
• Drones
• AI

Yet here we are 30 years on and there are more jobs for people than ever.

Yeah, a twentyfold increase in coffee shops in just 18 years.

Seriously?!

Look at the high street today (as an example) and compare it with the past.

There would often be repair shops, as well as electrical, and bicycle shops who could service stuff.

Now you're more likely to find 400 nail bars; barbers; beauty salons; charity shops; bargain booze outlets. There are some dire high streets up here in the North.

We've done a fine job of exporting tens of thousands of quality IT and engineering jobs out to the Far East I suppose.

ukcarper

kabayiri wrote: »

Yeah, a twentyfold increase in coffee shops in just 18 years.

Seriously?!

Look at the high street today (as an example) and compare it with the past.

There would often be repair shops, as well as electrical, and bicycle shops who could service stuff.

Now you're more likely to find 400 nail bars; barbers; beauty salons; charity shops; bargain booze outlets. There are some dire high streets up here in the North.

We've done a fine job of exporting tens of thousands of quality IT and engineering jobs out to the Far East I suppose.

There are a few down here in the south my local town is terrible even the shopping centre built in early 90s is empty.

MobileSaver

kabayiri wrote: »

Look at the high street today (as an example) and compare it with the past.

I'm not sure what your point is?

Yes the High Street has changed significantly over the last decade or so but that doesn't alter the fact that, despite all the technological advances that were supposed to put millions out of work, employment is actually at a record high in this country...

kabayiri

MobileSaver wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is?

Yes the High Street has changed significantly over the last decade or so but that doesn't alter the fact that, despite all the technological advances that were supposed to put millions out of work, employment is actually at a record high in this country...

For half a dozen years after the GFC, some 80% of the jobs created were the lowest income type.

Is this the sort of work you are celebrating?