Yellow jacket freedom fighters spreading to London

badgerhead

Right to have children? How would you regulate or legislate for this. Would prospective parents need to be credit checked? Have a deposit saved? Potentially you could buy a license to procreate?

So what happens when the babies grow up and there's no longer working poor babies to do the manual labour? Do we increase immigration, or maybe a government HTB (Help To Breed) scheme.

Sounds very interesting.

Arklight

Many of the poor people I have met work really bloody hard and show a lot of ingenuity. If they were given more of a break or just had better luck they'd do really well.

Alternatively I know plenty of people who have had every advantage in life and only done "OK", considering the huge head start they had. You don't know someones's story until you've bothered to speak to them.

Maybe if the ingrates on this forum would like to try doing things like telling a barista who's just done a 12 hour shift and is still smiling and friendly, what a loser she is for doing a minimum wage retail job, as she promptly and courteously hands them their coffee and tells them to have a lovely day, they'd realise how absurd their simple views are.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

MobileSaver wrote: »

Do you agree or disagree that parents who cannot afford to support children have the right to have children?

The replacement fertility rate (clue is in the name) in the UK is 2.1 live births per female on average... We haven't managed to breed at that level since 1970.

As long as we fail to breed enough young people to replace ourselves with then it's blindingly obvious that we should subsidise or incentivise people having all the children they can, at least until that level is reached.... Which it hasn't been for 5 decades...

So clearly the incentives to have children have not been enough and the last thing we should be doing is restricting them.

ess0two

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The replacement fertility rate (clue is in the name) in the UK is 2.1 live births per female on average... We haven't managed to breed at that level since 1970.

As long as we fail to breed enough young people to replace ourselves with then it's blindingly obvious that we should subsidise or incentivise people having all the children they can, at least until that level is reached.... Which it hasn't been for 5 decades...

So clearly the incentives to have children have not been enough and the last thing we should be doing is restricting them.

That's fine, as long as the state doesn't fund it.


The very reason working families have fewer kids, its too expensive.

badgerhead

Who is gonna do all that consuming though?

Arklight

ess0two wrote: »

That's fine, as long as the state doesn't fund it.


The very reason working families have fewer kids, its too expensive.

This stereotype that poor people are all firing out children while sitting on piles of unearned money is really very enduring, isn't it?

ess0two

Arklight wrote: »

This stereotype that poor people are all firing out children while sitting on piles of unearned money is really very enduring, isn't it?

Where have I stated 'poor people', lots of threads on here with middle earners, who struggle with mortgage, child care etc.

MobileSaver

Arklight wrote: »

Unless you are talking about sterilising the poor,

Don't be such a drama queen; you do realise that contraception is available for free in the UK?

Arklight wrote: »

yes they have the "right" to have children ... whether poor people have the right to claim state support for their children.

There we have it then, a fundamental difference between you and me. I believe people should take responsibility for their own actions and that it's morally wrong to bring children into the world when you cannot support them even with Child Benefit. And before you get melodramatic again I am talking about people who chose either by their own actions or inactions to have children.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As long as we fail to breed enough young people to replace ourselves with then it's blindingly obvious that we should subsidise or incentivise people

I agree with that in principle but have a problem with the blanket approach of incentivising equally a hard-working couple and a drug-addict single mum who has no intention of ever doing an honest day's work in her life.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ess0two wrote: »

lots of threads on here with middle earners, who struggle with mortgage, child care etc.

Indeed.

I would advocate that many more people across a broad range of incomes should have access to additional support to have more children.

As the inevitable eventual result of continuing to breed at below replacement rate is, well, extinction...

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

MobileSaver wrote: »

I agree with that in principle but have a problem with the blanket approach of incentivising equally a hard-working couple and a drug-addict single mum who has no intention of ever doing an honest day's work in her life.

Sure.

We probably all have the same issue with 'drug addled' people breeding.

But the problem is now critical, we've failed to breed enough children for 5 decades now, and we have a huge population imbalance building up with too many old people and nowhere near enough young people to support them all.

A situation that will no doubt be worsened by Brexit. (as at least FoM made it easy for young workers to migrate here and partially fill the gap)