If there is a second referendum ...

Kohoutek

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Yes we have a "permanent" opt out from the euro, but it does not stop the eu sidelining countries that do not take the euro.

The eu would almost certainly find a way of ejecting a member state if they wanted to, they do after all write their own rulebook.

Treaty changes only require unanimous approval because of the veto, and the eu plan to do away with the vetoes and go over to qm voting.

You clearly don't understand what you're talking about.

The only way to eject a member state would be to change the EU treaties and changing treaties requires unanimity (because they are agreements between every member state).

QMV is about votes in the European Council, it's nothing to do with changing EU treaties.

Herzlos

There's another article, 7, maybe, that the EU could use to remove a member state. But it requires them to do something against EU rules, and have been sanctioned before being removed. It seems to at least be allow them to strip rights.



So they'd need to find us doing something wrong enough to get kicked out, and give us a chance to appeal / fix it before it happens. They can't change the rules to just get rid of anyone because we've still got a veto.


So the only way the EU could kick us out is if we explicitly permit them to.

PhilE

If there's another vote millions of young people will vote to stay, as they don't want their right to live, work and trade with the EU to be sabotaged by closet racists who want everyone else to be as miserable and defeated as they are.

Crashy_Time

PhilE wrote: »

If there's another vote millions of young people will vote to stay, as they don't want their right to live, work and trade with the EU to be sabotaged by closet racists who want everyone else to be as miserable and defeated as they are.

There isn`t going to be another vote because that makes a mockery of our democracy, and the people who rely on that system (MP`s) don`t want to undermine it any more than it already has been, also the EU is going to break up after it goes into a big recession and the populists take over, so why would anyone vote to stay attached to that mess? Also why didn`t millions of young people already vote to keep the great opportunities that the EU supposedly provides them? Way way too late now folks, sorry.

gfplux

I thought it was agreed. There will be no further referendum.
Does the people’s vote have any traction.
What would the questions be?


Why can’t we agree the “new” withdrawal/transition/outline political declaration (deal) next week and get on with the trade talks with the EU in April.

Herzlos

Crashy_Time wrote: »

There isn`t going to be another vote because that makes a mockery of our democracy

Read this part out loud and see if you can spot the flaw in it.

BobQ

PhilE wrote: »

If there's another vote millions of young people will vote to stay, as they don't want their right to live, work and trade with the EU to be sabotaged by closet racists who want everyone else to be as miserable and defeated as they are.

Not all of them did it last time - some bought the anti-EU messages hook line and sinker.

BobQ

Crashy_Time wrote: »

There isn`t going to be another vote because that makes a mockery of our democracy, and the people who rely on that system (MP`s) don`t want to undermine it any more than it already has been, also the EU is going to break up after it goes into a big recession and the populists take over, so why would anyone vote to stay attached to that mess? Also why didn`t millions of young people already vote to keep the great opportunities that the EU supposedly provides them? Way way too late now folks, sorry.

There is not going to be another vote because politicians do not currently want it. Nowt to do with democracy

If the EU breaks up (whatever that means) we will have lost our chance to influence the entity that follows it, some kind of trading block that does not aspire to political integration.

Millions of young voters DID vote for those opportunities. Many were too young to vote but realised what their elders pigheadedness was going to them. Will they ever forgive those elders? Only if the experiment we are about to embark on brings the same economic benefits as 40 years of EU membership has given us.

andrewf75

PhilE wrote: »

Crashy, most people don't want Brexit. Only racist, ignorant chavs want Brexit.

I find it incredible that people still come out with stuff like that after all this time.

Racist, ignorant chavs may have voted Brexit, but they aren't 52% of the electorate.

Herzlos

Well said. People believing lies doesn't make them ignorant, especially when the lying is so pervasive.


People on both sides largely voted for what they felt was best for themselves and the country.