UKCPS Ticket for parking in my own residential parking space

Half_way

Do you need a permit to walk in thorough your font door? What about use the lavatory after 10pm?

The_Deep

Half_way wrote: »

Do you need a permit to wall on in thorough your font door? What about use the lavatory after 10pm?

Have you been drinking HW?

NeilCr

It would be useful to know if the allocated parking pace is in the lease.

And, if there is a catch all about freeholder being able to make such changes that would help the smooth running of the estate - or words to that effect.

bruce02651

See if you can get the MA/landowner to cancel the ticket. They may if you explain the circumstances.[/QUOTE]


I spoke to my management agency (Trinity Estates) today they got in touch with UKCPS but came back with a negative response UKCPS apparently just told them I had to go through the appeals process (which obviously I did). Before I discovered this great forum I had already sent a letter to UKCPS explaining that my valid permit had slipped off the dash along with printed copies of my valid permit and documents showing my allocated parking space UKCPS have said they've received my letter and it could take up to 28 days to get a response, unsurprisingly the 28 days will take me past my discounted payment rate and beyond the full payment date I assume they're obviously just fobbing me off and I don't expect any positive response if at all. After the full payment date passes what do they send next, is it court action threats?

beamerguy

bruce02651 wrote: »

See if you can get the MA/landowner to cancel the ticket. They may if you explain the circumstances.

I spoke to my management agency (Trinity Estates) today they got in touch with UKCPS but came back with a negative response UKCPS apparently just told them I had to go through the appeals process (which obviously I did). Before I discovered this great forum I had already sent a letter to UKCPS explaining that my valid permit had slipped off the dash along with printed copies of my valid permit and documents showing my allocated parking space UKCPS have said they've received my letter and it could take up to 28 days to get a response, unsurprisingly the 28 days will take me past my discounted payment rate and beyond the full payment date I assume they're obviously just fobbing me off and I don't expect any positive response if at all. After the full payment date passes what do they send next, is it court action threats?

Don't your MA understand that they are the boss and UKCPS are the underdog ?

Or has UKCPS taken over the MA ? OR ..... is there someone in the MA on commission ?

Regardless of the current position, the MA can cancel with a click of a finger ....... start getting tough

bruce02651

NeilCr wrote: »

What does your lease say about parking? Is the allocated space defined in there?

Had a read through my Lease agreement these are a few points in it that mention about parking. Under the title 'Rights Granted to the Property' point 12 states 'Exclusively to use parking space or spaces edged in red on plan 3' Under a sub title 'Use' it states 'To use the Property as a single private dwelling and any allocated parking spaces for the parking of one private motor vehicle' Landlord's Covenants Pointr 1. Quiet Enjoyment, To allow the Tenant {subject to complying with the terms of this lease}to hold and enjoy the prooperty throughout the term without any interruption from the Landlord. There is not a single mention anywhere in the Lease Agreement about permit parking.


Does this sound like I'm covered in relation to my Lease Agreement?

NeilCr

I'd have thought so. Any "catch all" that allows "management" to introduce such regulations as they want to to ensure the smooth running of the estate?

In regards to the MA do you happen to know if it was they or the freeholder that signed the contract with the PPC. I agree with the baseline of Beamerguy's post - if the MA signed the contract then they should be able to cancel. Maybe worth going back to them to ask why they can't cancel the ticket and under what authority the PPC and their permits were introduced.

I am a director of an estate and, as a ManCo we'd sign the contract with the PPC (not the MA), but different places work in different ways. I certainly wouldn't stand for ticketing of residents in their own allocated spaces!

bruce02651

NeilCr wrote: »

I'd have thought so. Any "catch all" that allows "management" to introduce such regulations as they want to to ensure the smooth running of the estate?



There is something under the heading 'compliance with regulations' it states, To comply with and make every endeavour to ensure that all persons living in or visiting the property or using any part of the development shall comply with all such regulations as the management company shall from time to time make for the preservation of the amenities of the development or for the general convenience of the occupiers of the block (the management company having the power to vary or add to regulations from time to time as it thinks fit)


Does this sound like a catch all?


I'm going to get back in touch with the MA in the morning and find out who the PPC contract is signed with (them or the Land owners)

Coupon-mad

That's not an ideal catch-all clause, unfortunately. But the good points about your case are that:

(a) your tenancy agreement gives you a granted right to 'exclusive' use of the space, and the landlord cannot derogate from that grant.

(b) you were there first, and UKCPS were then foisted upon you, presumably without blanket consultation/voting by asking all residents:

when the flats were built there was no permit parking it was a case of every flat is allocated its own personal parking space but as time went on the land owners in conjunction with the management agency brought in this scheme

You will not be paying this; if you did you would be funding & supporting their scam. No informed person on this forum does that. Wait and see if they decide to try a small claim, and keep UKCPS informed if you move house, so that you never miss a letter... in case they decide to get litigious later within 6 years.

UKCPS are not currently very litigious and defences from flat owners carry a lot of weight, as you have rights and UKCPS are strangers to the lease/land.

You should lobby other residents to get UKCPS kicked out as you do NOT need them.

bruce02651

Coupon-mad wrote: »

That's not an ideal catch-all clause, unfortunately. But the good points about your case are that:

(a) your tenancy agreement gives you a granted right to 'exclusive' use of the space, and the landlord cannot derogate from that grant.

(b) you were there first, and UKCPS were then foisted upon you, presumably without blanket consultation/voting by asking all residents:


You will not be paying this; if you did you would be funding & supporting their scam. No informed person on this forum does that. Wait and see if they decide to try a small claim, and keep UKCPS informed if you move house, so that you never miss a letter... in case they decide to get litigious later within 6 years.

UKCPS are not currently very litigious and defences from flat owners carry a lot of weight, as you have rights and UKCPS are strangers to the lease/land.

You should lobby other residents to get UKCPS kicked out as you do NOT need them.

Thanks I will be persuing this as far as it goes, I got another letter today from them in response to me sending them copies of my valid parking permit they've obviously rejected this letter as a 2nd appeal and have said the appeals process is now complete, funny thing is the letter they sent had the wrong christain name on it shows how bad the administration is as well.