The Prepping Thread - A Newer Beginning ;)

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MoneySeeker1 said:

Admits to being very surprised at how many people seem to treat "recommendations" as equivalent to "orders - with penalties attached for disobeying".

Well, if I reccomended to you that you stay in to avoid a potentially deadlywith added  agonising death from a virus that there is no cure for, if you felt like going out to roulette wheel on that one, then have at it. Just sign a bit of paper first to say you're going to refuse treatment because you caught it through your own foolhardiness.

MoneySeeker1

There is indeed getting to be more "pushback" from people. I've been very surprised to witness virtually zilch pushback originally. On going on anti Lockdown/human rights Facebook groups I was surprised to start with not to see many articulate points made, but it is changing and there are starting to be some very intelligent and informed people now joining in pushback and querying all the "facts" we are being told by the Government/Media et al and some of those people also have reasonable amounts of money (though nothing like the loadsa loadsa money Bill Gates has for instance) and are putting some of it into publicising pushback/paying for legal cases against TPTB and I'm definitely thinking "Now we're talking - he's an ex-banker and plenty of money. He's a legal bod and he's in it bringing a legal case against the Government and so on" and people in other countries are starting to get out onto the streets. I was watching a fair-size anti-Lockdown video in Germany of lots of people very slowly driving cars/standing together by the main road of one of their major cities (despite their police looking pretty scary with all their helmets on etc). I've watched a big car and pedestrian demonstration in Brazil a week odd back and these things are mounting up.

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I believe the self isolation if you develop symptoms is the law not the socially distancing but having had the grim truth explained graphically by my GP daughter that at 72 and with an underlying health issue IF I was hospitalised with covid-19 I would not be considered worth treating, treatment (and by that I mean ventilators and massive interventions like that) would be given on the 'best likely outcome' basis and we wouldn't get it, we'd be in a ward on oxygen and in her words Ma, you will die! things like that tend to make you take what you're told seriously, she's a feet on the ground woman and I trust her implicitly which is why come hell or high water we're not coming out of social distancing until there is a vaccine and we've had it.  I wonder how many of the 70+ folks who are questioning the need to socially distance and lobbying for themselves to be freed from the need to do so actually know the stark black truth of the reality of what would happen if they became a victim of the virus and how hard they'd be clamouring for release from their safe homes if they did?

dreaming

I still have quite a few tins in the cupboard but have also been using up fresh and frozen first.  I actually have more than I thought as I had been putting some tins away for eldest and partner (just in case) but they have managed to get regular supermarket deliveries (both have mental and physical disabilities) so I incorporated that stash into mine.  I did make a big curry the other week (frozen in single portions) and realised I was very low on some spices and there were none in my local little shop.  I am  going to go to the local Morrisons this week to see what I can get there (if the car starts!).  I did try to get a delivery slot at first on behalf of eldest but when they started getting their own deliveries I stopped looking as I can get to shops.  I have a Tesco Express and a pharmacy just a couple of minutes round the corner from me and Morrisons is just a mile or so down the road, although I probably couldn't carry much from there if I walked.
The rules about who should or shouldn't go out can be seen to be a bit arbitrary.  I am under 70 so not considered to be vulnerable although being overweight I might have more problems than my neighbour who at 73 is very fit and well, still works and walks for miles with his dog. You only have to read about those who have sadly lost their lives to see that it can take anyone - young, old, fit, unhealthy people.  Youngest (NHS nurse) and I agree that there is an element of "luck" involved into whether you get infected in the first place, and how your body will respond.  We can all do things to increase that luck - try to stay as fit and healthy as we can (note to self!), maintaining social distance and hand washing/sanitising practices, but this virus is with us now and will likely mutate over time just as the flu virus does so until there is a vaccine against it then I for one will be very circumspect about who I socialise with and where I go in future - even when "lockdown" stops.  So  whilst I do understand why some older people rail against the blanket advice about over 70's, I also appreciate that the government would be in for just as much criticism if they did nothing at all.  To be honest, many of the over 70's where I live are the ones going to the shop every day for their newspapers etc., whereas I go once every 7-10 days. It's relatively easy for me - I live alone and don't particularly like socialising or shopping etc.  I do so miss my family and close friends but although it is a poor substitute I am very thankful for the internet.

MoneySeeker1

Each person has to make their own personal decision for themselves.

I will never have any vaccines - for anything - ever anyway. So it's just the same for a Covid one (if there is such an illness and if they do get a vaccine for it) - and I won't be having it personally myself and, if I find I'm denied access to things because of not having an (apparently voluntary) vaccine - I'll publicise just how "compulsory" it had turned out to be in actual fact and still not have it and keep a careful (public) record of what I'd been forbidden to access.

Each to their own on their own personal decisions as to what to do for themselves personally. I won't tell anyone else not to have the vaccine - I'll just say "Do you know what sort of things they put in vaccines?", tell them links to look up the sort of ingredients they have in and then it's up to them. They make their decisions for themselves - same as I make my decisions for myself.

Si_Clist

MrsLurcherwalker said:

... I wonder how many of the 70+ folks who are questioning the need to socially distance and lobbying for themselves to be freed from the need to do so actually know the stark black truth of the reality of what would happen if they became a victim of the virus ...

Not a lot, I suspect.  Seeing as how we two gave up the television in 1981 and the newspapers a year later, I have to ask - would I be correct in guessing that neither the Government nor the media has actually spelled it out in black and white?

jk0

Interesting article here about Sweden: https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/covid-why-sweden-has-already-won-the-debate-on-covid-19-lockdown-policy/

MoneySeeker1

jk0 said:

Interesting article here about Sweden: https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/covid-why-sweden-has-already-won-the-debate-on-covid-19-lockdown-policy/

Oh yes - am definitely an admirer of the way the Swedes have dealt/are dealing with this. Much more logical and rational and in accordance with a Western modern liberal society - and keeping it that way!

greenbee

jk0 said:

Interesting article here about Sweden: https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/covid-why-sweden-has-already-won-the-debate-on-covid-19-lockdown-policy/

The story and the reality may be different... firstly, Swedes are very compliant when it comes to this kind of advice. Secondly, Swedish supermarkets are generally spacious and well organised and thirdly... most of my Swedish colleagues are doing pretty much the same as me and going out as little as possible. Most people aren't going to bars and restaurants so lots of them have already closed. They're also not allowed to move around that much - one colleague is stuck in her house in the country and can't come back to the city, whereas others can't go to their summer houses and are stuck in the city. 

My snow boots are also in my locker in Sweden.... 

thriftwizard

Having just spoken to my mother, I know she's beginning to fear for her mental health. When you've always been a part of a big, close & lively family, and you can no longer do the things like reading, knitting & needlework that used to pass the time, just seeing her carers for a few minutes a day & watching the endless miserable news is no substitute for having people around & visits to look forward to. We do all ring regularly, most of us daily, but tonight I heard the despair in her voice. She doesn't have any underlying health problems & I know she'd be much happier to see us & pay the ultimate price, if need be, as she's felt for a while that her "time" has passed now; she has an ongoing DNR notice that we're all aware of & approve of. But she wouldn't want to be a nuisance to the NHS, so we soldier on. I do feel for the elderly living alone; it must be even worse if they don't have family to ring up & chat & check they're ok...