Workers rights?

boliston

Malthusian wrote: »

Most people don't join unions for any reason. Union membership in this country is about 20% of the workforce and falling. Of those who do join, many are opted-in without their knowledge.

Most people who find their job's pay or conditions are below what they expect look for a better one. This has a considerably higher chance of achieving their goal than going into politics.

Joining a trade union is a second best solution for when no better job is available (e.g. you are working in a 19th century mill and have no way of accessing a better job without risk of starvation).

I think a lot depends on the type of job you do - if you work in something like teaching, public services, health services, transport services etc there is probably more benefit than if you work for a small family run business (as i do)

coyrls

enigma69 wrote: »

My child works in Turtle Bay and has to pay 3% of sales back. Is this legal?

Child labour is illegal.

Malthusian

boliston wrote: »

I think a lot depends on the type of job you do - if you work in something like teaching, public services, health services, transport services etc there is probably more benefit than if you work for a small family run business (as i do)

Indeed - state-run monopsonies are one of those areas I was referring to in my last paragraph. Even I would join a union in that position. For many people there are very few or no alternatives without changing career or leaving the country.

short_butt_sweet

boliston wrote: »

I think a lot depends on the type of job you do - if you work in something like teaching, public services, health services, transport services etc there is probably more benefit than if you work for a small family run business (as i do)

agreed. unions seem to be becoming more active among restaurant staff, and in the issue of who gets the tips. and when you're working for a chain, a union tends to make more sense: the employer has more bargaining power by being part of a bigger group, but the employees can do the same by joining a union.

Alexland wrote: »

I doubt a union would want the back room staff to miss out on a share of the tips. To be fair this company doesn't seem to be keeping any of the tips for themselves.

perhaps. but i do find it a bit suspicious that the deduction from tips appears to be based on turnover, and isn't just a percentage of the tips. if the idea is to share the tips with back room staff, why not just do that? do we even know if the extra pay that back room staff get is the same amount as the deductions from tips? is it extra at all, or just part of their basic pay?

i don't know the answers to these questions. but perhaps staff (and their union) would like to ask them.

Malthusian

short_butt_sweet wrote: »

perhaps. but i do find it a bit suspicious that the deduction from tips appears to be based on turnover, and isn't just a percentage of the tips. if the idea is to share the tips with back room staff, why not just do that?

To incentivise the employee to provide good service and earn tips.

If the system is that you are taxed on your tips, then you can be rude and surly to everyone and you won't lose anything, although you won't earn anything either on top of your wage. This of course negatively impacts the backroom staff.

Under the TB system, as soon as a customer walks through the door you are now down, and have to be nice enough to them to earn a 3% tip to get back to where you started.

I'm not defending the system, just answering the question.

Obviously there is potential unfairness as tips are at the discretion of the customer and some of them won't tip 3% or 10% even if you do a good job. However, by the same token a few will tip more than 10% and you don't get taxed on the excess (as you would if it was a %age of tips). So another incentive to be nice.