Aftermarket tracker.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Fact is ANY CAR CAN BE and will STOLEN given the right set of opportunistic circumstances for a thief.
A thief will steal what ever he wants to FACT.
The badge snobs here need reminding of that fact when it comes it their vehicles security.


OP I have PM'd you.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

01afraser4 wrote: »

Are you required to be a moderator to remind someone of forum rules when they are being unhelpful? The fact that you have taken issue with me doing so is a rather sad indictment.

As a relatively new joiner, it has surprised me the amount of trolling, baiting and insulting that goes on especially considering the purpose of these forums are to help people.

The answer to your question is no you don't have to be a moderator to remind anyone of the forum rules and etiquette. Its just that in the motoring forums people have been left to get on with Ego tickling that its given some such a big hard on they think theyre behaviour is OK. MSE stamped all over this in Marriages board so much it left it a baron waste of a sub thread, they fear doing the same to one of its most popular threads it currently has with as much as 1100 people on this sub forum in the evenings and weekends that stomping on that would be website suicide.


So we can say, do and bully anyone one we like at the moment without fear being reprimanded or so they thinks anyway!

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Car_54 wrote: »

I'm confused. Is a statement suffixed with 'FACT' more or less true than one with a humble lower-case 'Fact'?



BTW the one above ending with 'FACT' is patent nonsense.

"Rolls eyes" NEXT!

parking_question_chap

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Fact is ANY CAR CAN BE and will STOLEN given the right set of opportunistic circumstances for a thief.
A thief will steal what ever he wants to FACT.
The badge snobs here need reminding of that fact when it comes it their vehicles security.

I really hope you are trolling for your own sake.

Obviously there is a chance any car "can be stolen", thats pretty damn obvious and doesnt really need pointing out.

The responses to OP are based on probability, which is the relevant variable, and in reality, probability the important variable in nearly every decision a person makes.

Let me explain how it works, numbers just for the sake of demonstration.

Example A

Ferrari 458 2017
Value £150,000
Chance of being stolen during ownership 1%
Cost of fitted tracker £350
Tracker cost as percentage of car value 0.233%

Example B
Peugeot 108 2017
Value £7000
Chance of being stolen during ownership 0.1%
Cost of fitted tracker £350
Tracker cost as percentage of car value 5%

Personally I can see there merit of a tracker in example A due to the low cost of tracker relative to car value, but in example B imo the numbers do not stack up to justify a tracker. In addition I would be more inclined to put a tracker on a car that is likely to be the target of "stolen to order" rather than a car that doesnt really have an appeal to professional thieves or joy riders.

Car_54

parking_question_chap wrote: »

I really hope you are trolling for your own sake.

Obviously there is a chance any car "can be stolen", thats pretty damn obvious and doesnt really need pointing out.

The responses to OP are based on probability, which is the relevant variable, and in reality, probability the important variable in nearly every decision a person makes.

Let me explain how it works, numbers just for the sake of demonstration.

Example A

Ferrari 458 2017
Value £150,000
Chance of being stolen during ownership 1%
Cost of fitted tracker £350
Tracker cost as percentage of car value 0.233%

Example B
Peugeot 108 2017
Value £7000
Chance of being stolen during ownership 0.1%
Cost of fitted tracker £350
Tracker cost as percentage of car value 5%

Personally I can see there merit of a tracker in example A due to the low cost of tracker relative to car value, but in example B imo the numbers do not stack up to justify a tracker. In addition I would be more inclined to put a tracker on a car that is likely to be the target of "stolen to order" rather than a car that doesnt really have an appeal to professional thieves or joy riders.

I understand your logic, but I think you need to consider also the relative impact of a theft on the owner.



£150,000 to Ferrari owner = nuisance


£7,000 to Peugeot owner = disaster.

parking_question_chap

Car_54 wrote: »

I understand your logic, but I think you need to consider also the relative impact of a theft on the owner.

£150,000 to Ferrari owner = nuisance

£7,000 to Peugeot owner = disaster.

The cars will be insured though, so both the £150,000 and £7,000 are recovered, mostly anyway.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

parking_question_chap wrote: »

I really hope you are trolling for your own sake.

Obviously there is a chance any car "can be stolen", thats pretty damn obvious and doesnt really need pointing out.

The responses to OP are based on probability, which is the relevant variable, and in reality, probability the important variable in nearly every decision a person makes.

Let me explain how it works, numbers just for the sake of demonstration.

Example A

Ferrari 458 2017
Value £150,000
Chance of being stolen during ownership 1%
Cost of fitted tracker £350
Tracker cost as percentage of car value 0.233%

Example B
Peugeot 108 2017
Value £7000
Chance of being stolen during ownership 0.1%
Cost of fitted tracker £350
Tracker cost as percentage of car value 5%

Personally I can see there merit of a tracker in example A due to the low cost of tracker relative to car value, but in example B imo the numbers do not stack up to justify a tracker. In addition I would be more inclined to put a tracker on a car that is likely to be the target of "stolen to order" rather than a car that doesnt really have an appeal to professional thieves or joy riders.

(Rolling my eyes). I dont think the OP cares about your 7k car doesnt warrant a £350 tracker opinion, if you dont want to be able to recover your car to the best you can then jog on.


A tracker is personal choice, if the op wants one fitted its their choice, and this is what we was asked for in assistance, its not for us to laugh and belittle them for wanting to fit one to a pug.


You can get a tracker for £80.00 thesedays, and 12 months subscription for 125 that is a stand alone no hard wire and hidden, so if its stripped the tracker remains live.

forgotmyname

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

(Rolling my eyes). I dont think the OP cares about your 7k car doesnt warrant a £350 tracker opinion, if you dont want to be able to recover your car to the best you can then jog on.


A tracker is personal choice, if the op wants one fitted its their choice, and this is what we was asked for in assistance, its not for us to laugh and belittle them for wanting to fit one to a pug.


You can get a tracker for £80.00 thesedays, and 12 months subscription for 125 that is a stand alone no hard wire and hidden, so if its stripped the tracker remains live.

So its not OK to point out the MSE way and that fitting one is pointless. But its OK for that person to spout verbal abuse?

You appear to have your wires twisted, and you thank a verbally abusive post. Shame on you.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

forgotmyname wrote: »

So its not OK to point out the MSE way and that fitting one is pointless. But its OK for that person to spout verbal abuse?

You appear to have your wires twisted, and you thank a verbally abusive post. Shame on you.

I read your not so helpful, extremely sarcastic and rude response to the OP, It was shameful and not "ok", just because I sympathise with the OP based from your post isn't shameful, the shame comes from MSE letting sarcastic diatribe like yours go unchecked.


I don't appear to have my wires twisted, you seem to have yours twisted from what you deem OK in pointing out what is MSE:money: way to go about having a tracker fitted.


Where was "hi op trackers are not very cost effective".


Where was your "but if you want a tracker there are several types"


all I saw was a school playground bully mouthing off "who's going to steal that"? Whats the benefit of a tracker?


"By a pedal bike instead if someone steals it you can follow it quite easily"


Well the OP handled you well IMHO and made you look as described. Shame on me! NO SHAME ON YOU!

dori2o

Thank you to those who have offered advice and not just sought to belittle my little car.

At the end of the day as a disabled person my car is extremely important to me. It's my only way of getting to and from work.

It might not be at the top of the steal to order list, or even be on it at all, but with crime increasing all over this part of the country it's the teenage joy riders I'm more worried about.

If my car is stolen I can't get to work. It's that simple. If I can't work I don't earn if I don't earn I have no money for the bills/mortgage etc. I'm also effectively housebound without it.

I'm not a car person. I know nothing more than what I need to know to maintain them, i.e. tyres, where fluids go, how to check fluids and other general maintenance items, how to keep clean, etc etc.

It might only be a £7500 car but at just over 12 months old and with only 4000 miles it's as close to a new car as we are going to get.

It's one of the reasons for my earlier post regarding service plans, and following that I've decided to simply save the money in a good(ish) savings account and hope the funds are there if any work needs doing which is not covered by the warranty.

I've got some good info on trackers thanks to the people who have replied and PN'd me. Thank you to those people. I have quite a bit of info to look over.

I was at least hoping that a tracker, even a GPS self install job might bring my insurance down a bit more.


Following on from another drive home filled with idiot drivers and pedestrians with no (road) sense, I'm now looking at buying a dash cam.

I'm hopeless at remembering to take things out of the car, so was hoping that there is an option available where the cam can be left unnoticed in the car.

I've seen the ones which clip over/onto the rear view mirror in Halfords, but I would think that having the screen as part of the mirror would be distracting, or can it be turned off?

Is it possible to get a mini one that clips to the sun visor? Or that is quite small and would be unnoticed if fitted just in front of the mirror?

Ideally I'd like a wireless one, but if it's not possible then one that I manually have to download from a micro SD card wouldn't be a problem.

Also, what's the best way of managing the wires?

I'd prefer not to have wires all over the place if possible.

Can they be located anywhere or is there a reason that they should they be located at the top if the winscreen?

Any help appreciated.