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Parking ticket NTK recieved

UKPC
UKPC Posts: 15 Forumite
edited 24 October 2018 at 10:56AM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
Hi there,
I was wondering if I could get some guidance please? I have read a lot of the forums, but am a little confused by some of the info.
I have been issued a parking ticket on private land, I have received an NTK. I took photos on the day and I could not even see the signs, the road was marked with double yellow lines and I parked on a part where there were no double yellow lines.
I have checked and UKPC is listed as a member of BPA.
I have not used the companies internal appeals process yet, is this what I need to do first? There is an online part where it says I can appeal. There seem to be a couple of templates of what to send them, but could someone confirm to me which I need to use please?


Many thanks in advance


edit:
Is this what I need to do on the online company appeal?
Template appeal for BPA or IPC members - copy this wording into the online appeal box::





Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement. There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn.

Since your PCN is a vague template, I require all photos taken, a clear image of the signage and an explanation of the allegation (e.g. if you have identified a wrong VRN input at a machine, say so, and explain why your Data Protection Officer has not simply rectified it, rather than trying to punish a driver for a matter where there is nothing to deter).

I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP, appraising all parties of the debate where Parliament agreed: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists...should not have to put up with this''. Firms of your ilk were unanimously condemned as operating an 'outrageous scam' (Hansard 2.2.18). The BPA & IPC were heavily criticised; hardly surprising for an industry where so-called AOS members admit to letting victims 'futilely go through the motions' of appeal and that 'we make it up most of the time' (BBC Watchdog).

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service.
Yours faithfully,


THE NAME AND POSTAL ADDRESS OF THE KEEPER (OR THE HIRER/LESSEE) GOES HERE. THE DRIVER IS NOT IDENTIFIED.

DO NOT PUT YOUR NAME HERE INSTEAD, IF YOU ARE NOT THE KEEPER/HIRER/LESSEE. YOU ARE NOT HELPING IF YOU DO THIS WRONG BY APPEALING IN THE WRONG NAME!


NO NEED TO USE YOUR REAL SIGNATURE - BUT DON'T POST IT BY ROYAL MAIL UNLESS YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPTION ON THE PCN. CERTAINLY NOT BY RECORDED DELIVERY - FORGET THAT! - ALWAYS USE THE ONLINE APPEAL PAGE - OR EMAIL IF OFFERED AS AN OPTION ON THE NOTICE - BECAUSE THE APPEAL CANNOT GET LOST AND YOU CAN KEEP PROOF/ A SCREENSHOT

You can (carefully!) add a little to the template above, 'in order to resolve the dispute I attach copies of...':
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Comments

  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
    UKPC are frauders

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11858473/Parking-firm-UKPC-admits-faking-tickets-to-fine-drivers.html

    the whole industry is based on fraud. Complain to your MP

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the House of Commons recently

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41 recently.

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P.
    for unprofessional conduct
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • UKPC
    UKPC Posts: 15 Forumite
    Thanks for the quick answer, I have read the telegraph article. I will complain to MP, but in the meantime should I do the info in my edited post above?
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 42,968 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Would you mind clarifying please - when you say you've received a NtK, do you mean through the post after having had a windscreen ticket attached to the vehicle previously? Or are you just at the windscreen ticket stage at the moment?
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • UKPC
    UKPC Posts: 15 Forumite
    edited 24 October 2018 at 12:54PM
    I had a ticket stuck to the windscreen and now been send an NTK through the post.


    So should I use the text I've pasted above into the UKPC appeals process and complain to my MP?
  • UKPC
    UKPC Posts: 15 Forumite
    I have sent an email to my MP complaining of this, if I could get advice on how to continue with my fight with UKPC as in my question above?
    Should I complete the template (pasted above) into the UPKC appeals process to get a POPLA code?
  • Ralph-y
    Ralph-y Posts: 4,640 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    yes ... you have to appeal to get a refusal and then a POPLA code


    Ralph:cool:
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,263 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    UKPC wrote: »
    Should I complete the template (pasted above) into the UPKC appeals process to get a POPLA code?
    Yes... ensuring when you do so that you are appealing as the keeper.
  • UKPC
    UKPC Posts: 15 Forumite
    Thank you for the advice, I have now appealed via their online submission and taken screenshots as advised.
  • UKPC
    UKPC Posts: 15 Forumite
    I now have a POPLA code as they do not agree with me. Is there a template for appealing to POPLA or do I just post to POPLA the same as I did to UKPC?
    Many thanks in advance
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,263 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    UKPC wrote: »
    I now have a POPLA code as they do not agree with me. Is there a template for appealing to POPLA or do I just post to POPLA the same as I did to UKPC?
    Many thanks in advance
    You certainly must not send the same appeal to PoPLA.

    It is now time for you to read post #3 of [URL="https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread[/URL] where you will find details on how to compile a PoPLA appeal.
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