? Parking fine on hospital grounds deserved?

anonymous98

Hi all! I have read the sticky and I am so sorry to make a new thread but tried searching and couldnt find a similar case to this:
I am a midwife at my local hospital. There is a massive hoo-ha going on re. our permits and lots of us (including me) have had tickets issued when our permits were on display and I have had a couple cancelled at the instruction of the trust following me supplying my evidence they were wrongly given, but when I discovered in around May time that they were no longer given access to DVLA database, I stopped doing this. Since then, I have received another one given wrongly (around June time) and another which perhaps was deserved and that is the one that I have today received a NTK.

Two questions:
1 - The one that I have the NTK for was given when I didnt have my permit on display. As I said, I am a midwife, and I literally raced into work as one of my women was in advanced labour so I needed to get there asap, and in the rush I forgot to put the permit on the dashboard. She ended up giving birth 4 mins after I got there! As it was technically deserved, I would have paid it immediately if I had realised UKPC got the DVLA access back, but I didnt so just ignored it and the NTK was a huge surprise this morning! Should I send the NTK appeal template on the newbies sticky thread as although I think it is very sad that they consider it moral to punish NHS workers for parking at work, I am in the wrong? Do I have a leg to stand on to appeal the NTK?

2 - Will the UKPC send me a second NTK for the charge received in June during the period when they didnt have access to the DVLA? It would probably be a lot of backlog so do you think they will be playing catch up, or just write all of those off? I'm assuming it isnt too hard for a computer system to notice it was the same vehicle and send me another NTK?

Thanks in advance for your help!

waamo

1. Send the template.

2. No.

2 is actually multiple questions but giving the answer to the first part negates the others.

Fruitcake

Permit schemes are supposed to deter rogue parking and protect people who are permitted to park. UKPC are unregulated cowboy scammers, and you are a hard working medical professional who not only had a right to be there, but actually needed to be there.
So, I do not agree that technically the driver was at fault.

If a white list was used, this wouldn't have happened, but the scammers wouldn't make any money that way.

You should be demanding that a white list system should be introduced in parallel with the permit scheme. You should also be kicking up a stink with your employers and your MP. Your Union Rep should be all over this scam.

Umkomaas

Get your union involved. Kick up stink with the hospital management. Get your press asking questions. Form a local site-specific Facebook account (or whatever they call it). Invite patients/visitors to pile in too - because I expect they will be even more harassed than the medical staff.

Cause as much grief as possible to get UKPC kicked off site. Have you read the NHS Guidelines for parking management at hospital sites?

https://www.jeremyhunt.org/hospital-parking

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles

(PS - despite his lack of some popularity, 'Jeremy Hunt' is definitely not rhyming slang!)

Ralph-y

Oh ... and as token of encouragement ... re MP's



this is what some of them think




https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

and slightly longer, the committee stage

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d5550515-cce9-4185-83ec-754dadb7524a

''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.

and some quotes from the committe stage

"The other area is hospital parking, and I want to single out one company for some pretty shady practices. That is ParkingEye"
" is very clear to me that there is collusion between parking companies and solicitors’ firms—so-called roboclaims companies. "
"They are often set up adjacently and involve the same directors and personnel. Incidentally, the same personnel get involved in the so-called appeals bodies."
"Essentially, it is a money-making enterprise that takes advantage of motorists up and down the country. They operate in a very business-like fashion, which is why I call them roboclaims companies."
"The companies are jamming up parts of our legal system."
“I now pretty much know exactly how the parking companies and in particular the IPC have been running this scam for the past 5 years. Basically both of the appeals processes are a complete and utter sham, (and part of that sham is Gladstones Solicitors itself)”
"The appeals process at Excel/VCS is run by a team of minimum wage office workers with no legal knowledge or experience whatsoever,"
" It is claimed by the head of the appeals service (retired Judge Bryn Holloway) that this is a completely independent fair process, it is not”
"The letter mentions two individuals—Will Hurley and Bryn Holloway—and concludes this is a typical example of the clear collusion between the IPC, their members and the IAS"
"what we can do about roboclaims companies and solicitors firms that profit, often in shady ways"
" the very large amounts of money that can be involved in such scams—a company called Smart Parking was involved in one such scam on my patch"
"tightening up the rules regarding the unfair use of automatic number plate recognition" "BW Legal, regularly issues 10,000 county court judgments a month, and is known to have issued 28,000 in one month"
"They are jamming up our court system, and are often totally unjustified."
" because the lifeblood of trying to extort money from people is having access to their details."

All from Parking (Code of Practice) Bill (First sitting) Hansard






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