PCN Scotland issued in retail park

PCNnonsense

PCN issued through letter. PCN is issued by 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'. Car park is within retail park in Scotland where a two hours max parking is in place. The driver entered the car park and left 2 hours and 20 mins later. Evidence of receipt of things bought whilst in retail park.

Newbies thread has been read. Is it clear in saying ignore correspondence, complain to store management? What should be said to store management on approaching them? The driver would like clarification on next steps. :money:

pogofish

Please get this moved to the Appropriate forum.

Inner_Zone

PCNnonsense wrote: »

PCN issued through letter. PCN is issued by 'Civil Enforcement Ltd'. Car park is within retail park in Scotland where a two hours max parking is in place. The driver entered the car park and left 2 hours and 20 mins later. Evidence of receipt of things bought whilst in retail park.

Newbies thread has been read. Is it clear in saying ignore correspondence, complain to store management? What should be said to store management on approaching them? The driver would like clarification on next steps. :money:

Or just ignore the advice you have been given and spam the forum!

Herzlos

You can complain to the manager but in Scotland there's nothing you can do so just ignore it unless they actually take court action (and not just threaten it).

Iceweasel

The next step is to ignore.

Approaching the store you bought things in is a good idea, but the actual results will depend on which retail park you are talking about.

In some of them you will be just wasting your time.

Many are owned by some anonymous company based in some tax-haven or other.

So which retail park was it?

JP1978

Protections of Freedoms act that does give more comeback to parking companies does not apply to Scotland so advice to ignore is valid. Don’t engage with them unless you get actual court papers (not fake looking ones written by a solicitor engaged by the company)

sheramber

https://www.thompsons-scotland.co.uk/blog/36-road-traffic-accident/2614-private-parking-tickets-in-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-39478203
woman has been ordered by a sheriff to pay a private parking company £24,500 in unpaid charges.

Carly Mackie ignored hundreds of parking tickets for leaving her car at Dundee's Waterfront without a permit, claiming they were unenforceable.

pogofish

The very reason Carly Mackie was shafted in court was because she had engaged with the PPC, identifying herself as the driver and effectively admitting it all - IIRC, she even offered a reduced settlement?

If she had kept her mouth shut, VCS wold have found it hugely difficult to bring any case against her - Also hundreds of tickets and the sum involved, in a residential context made it worth their while pursuing via the Sheriff Court. A single ticket in a retail park would almost certainly go via a small claims - but only if the PPC has the driver to hold liable.

So the upshot is that even in Scotland, that case did very little to change anything. Same with the Edinburgh Uni case from a few years before.

Iceweasel

The only time that a PPC can do anything in Scotland is if they know who the driver is/was.

If the keeper stays stumm - they are snookered.

End of.

There is no legal requirement to respond to them or give them any information whatsoever.

I personally ignore these scum 100% and no longer even waste my time contacting the store/hotel/complex.

One gets about five or six letters at approx one month intervals threatening all sorts of legal repercussions, none of which are possible (certainly not in Scotland) then they give up.

However if one if foolish enough to contact them in any way the letters may well continue for up to a year.

Replying to them shows them that you are either unaware or unsure of the Laws of Scotland.

As I am a resident of Scotland I apply the same ignoring technique to alleged parking incidents anywhere in the UK.

Northern Ireland residents can do exactly the same.

I relish the thought of real court papers arriving so that I can have some fun and waste even more of the PPC's time and money.

One does NOT ignore real court papers - in the very unlikely event of that, come back here for advice which many on here will be happy/overjoyed to give.

To the best of my knowledge no keeper in Scotland has ever been prosecuted solely on the basis of them being the keeper of the vehicle allegedly involved.

As Pogofish has rightly said a driver who repeatedly parked and admitted it has.