Lost POPLA appeal - only just found this thread

Redx

Neroche34 wrote: »

Debit card - just checked and the transactions are on my account history.

you should have complained to the RANGE and insisted on a cancellation, as a loyal customer

you can and should still do this, it should ALWAYS be done, as a landowner or retailer cancellation is the best option, always has been

Umkomaas

Why do you think that anyone has to provide spaces for 'families' (please define 'families'), or 'parent and child' spaces, (please define, along with age parameters - for both)?

Then realise that neither is either a legal requirement, or a practical solution to anything, other than a gift for PPCs to issue claims, for £100 a pop, to which they have no entitlement.

Coupon-mad

Can I just play devil's advocate (as a Judge might) and ask, why do you think you need a parent & child (retailers' gimmick) bay? You can get access to the car without leaving the car in the space like that.

You should have seen the way some elderlies parked at a well known furniture store yesterday as I was leaving. They stuck their car completely between 2 bays with the white line running under the car in the middle. They may have had a blue badge but they would have got a PCN in a blink of an eye in that car park!

Luckily I stopped them and pointed out the car park was run by an enormous scammer and I impressed on them the need to park properly (there were end bays they could have used if they wanted, plenty of big spaces). They moved the car and thanked me - they were saved from a nasty IPC scum firm!

Anyhoo, just making the point that parents do not need to park out of bay & leave the car like that, and that P&C bays are a pointless and annoying gimmick that actually leads people to think parking like you did is OK. Think about it, it's the gimmick bays that made you think you have a need that overrides parking within bay lines.

Retailers have a lot to answer for by creating an expectation that is making people get PCNs. We've even had parents on this forum stupidly parking in disabled bays and telling us they thought they had the same 'rights'.

Unbelievable sense of entitlement to a 'special' wide bay, that just should not be in anyone's head (please forgive me if that sounds harsh because I don't mean that badly against you, I mean it's the retailers' fault for putting the idea in parents' heads). And poor parents then learn the hard way later.

Anyway, come back at Letter before Claim stage. UKPC use SCS Law letters and it will help if you read some cases and see how these cases are won on here.

Search UKPC SCS Law claim defence and read a shedload of cases & bookmark them.



P.S. I have 4 kids who were at one time, all under age seven, so I know it's hard to get kids out of a car. Just don't leave a car like that once accessed.

beamerguy

Neroche34 wrote: »

Debit card - just checked and the transactions are on my account history.

Your receipt.

This is very early days so we want you to tell the CEO
of the Range your story and the lack of spaces for
parents and children
This has to be in your own words requesting cancellation

Mr Nigel Oddy CEO

Email noddy@therange.co.uk

It may be that as this is a retail park, none of the retailers
can do anything as the landowner employed UKPC

Let's see what Mr Oddy says, then come back
here.

Neroche34

Thanks for your replies.