Overtime payment on business trip

sangie595

skyrp wrote: »

It is not like that… I have spoken about it before I accepted the travel and my manager said that he will sign it for me. Generally he signed it off, but it has been put on hold as someone higher than him has to approve it after… I know that it doesn’t matter how much they earn, they were !!!!ed off that someone (me) wants to claim that amount of hours, but I feel that I have a full rights for it as other people from mine department would do the same.

Sorry, but no, it is like that. You had previously traveled for work believing you would be paid (although that may not have been a realistic belief) and you didn't. You let that go- you may have complained but you obviously didn't take it very far. And without any resolution of that issue, you traveled again without any agreement on the matter.

There is absolutely no right here. Especially since you have less than two years employment. The employer is not obliged to pay you overtime or give you time in lieu unless that is what the employers policy says. It can easily be argued that this is voluntary overtime too- you knew the norm, accepted it, and for employments where travel of this sort is expected, voluntary overtime is certainly far from unusual.

To be honest, this seems like it isn't the job for you. Such kinds of roles are often demanding, and expectations are that flexibility is usually one way - you are the one who is flexible, and that is career enhancing. There's no "right" or "wrong" in that. But it seems that you want every hour you work away recompensed and they aren't interested in that approach to work. Maybe best to look for another role more in line with your expectations, before they decide to assist you towards compulsory job searches.

FBaby

Sounds like your company needs to invest in the use of Skype. Its a lot of travelling and associated costs for a 2 hours meeting.

In all seriousness I don't know anyone who travels for their work who gets pId for every minute of their time away from home. Your salary should reflect this requirement.

Me2you

^lol no Skype isn’t the anser

skyrp

FBaby wrote: »

Sounds like your company needs to invest in the use of Skype. Its a lot of travelling and associated costs for a 2 hours meeting.

In all seriousness I don't know anyone who travels for their work who gets pId for every minute of their time away from home. Your salary should reflect this requirement.

Since I have started working over there everyone in my department banked / get paid for everything extra that they did abroad… Believe me the salary doesn’t reflect the requirement Friends who do similar sort of job, but in different companies get paid 2x more than I do (but don't get paid for overtime).

skyrp

sangie595 wrote: »

Sorry, but no, it is like that. You had previously traveled for work believing you would be paid (although that may not have been a realistic belief) and you didn't. You let that go- you may have complained but you obviously didn't take it very far. And without any resolution of that issue, you traveled again without any agreement on the matter.

There is absolutely no right here. Especially since you have less than two years employment. The employer is not obliged to pay you overtime or give you time in lieu unless that is what the employers policy says. It can easily be argued that this is voluntary overtime too- you knew the norm, accepted it, and for employments where travel of this sort is expected, voluntary overtime is certainly far from unusual.

To be honest, this seems like it isn't the job for you. Such kinds of roles are often demanding, and expectations are that flexibility is usually one way - you are the one who is flexible, and that is career enhancing. There's no "right" or "wrong" in that. But it seems that you want every hour you work away recompensed and they aren't interested in that approach to work. Maybe best to look for another role more in line with your expectations, before they decide to assist you towards compulsory job searches.

Yeah, you are right… I shouldn’t go to the next trip before sorting the issue with the previous one.
Everyone in my department get paid for the overtime or get banked hours when travel. I didn’t think that they will do such kind of problems, but I know it is related to the amount of hours that I have been working and asked to get paid for.
You are right there is no policy for “business traveling”, but my employee handbook states that I get paid for every hour over my normal working hours and is showing breakdown about the rates and bank holidays.
I think you don’t understand that my colleagues who are higher band than me get paid extra when traveling… I’m very young and new to the business therefore they are trying to not pay me for this… I had already chat with members of my team and everyone said that would do the same… Because it was always like that – you get banked ours / payment when traveling
I think I just have to wait to see what will be the final decision.

skyrp

Me2you wrote: »

What’s your salary?

Does it matter? It is not very big... I would say it is average salary for the engineer.

sangie595

Does the handbook also say that you get paid for traveling and time between meetings etc? Does it say that you won't be dismissed? We are "getting this" perfectly well. It's you who isn't understanding. It absolutely does not matter what your manager gets paid or what your higher paid colleagues get paid for.

You are operating on the basis of comparing what your salary is to your manager, your colleagues, and friends at other companies. Your salary is irrelevant. What other people earn doesn't matter. The issue is that you knew that the company has failed previously to pay you what you thought you should be paid and you let them, and then you went away again without clarifying the terms of traveling for business for you. So that's what toy need to do. Stop talking to colleagues, friends and everyone else and put in a grievance. As you were told.

gettingtheresometime

skyrp wrote: »

Yeah, you are right… I shouldn’t go to the next trip before sorting the issue with the previous one.
Everyone in my department get paid for the overtime or get banked hours when travel. I didn’t think that they will do such kind of problems, but I know it is related to the amount of hours that I have been working and asked to get paid for.
You are right there is no policy for “business traveling”, but my employee handbook states that I get paid for every hour over my normal working hours and is showing breakdown about the rates and bank holidays.
I think you don’t understand that my colleagues who are higher band than me get paid extra when traveling… I’m very young and new to the business therefore they are trying to not pay me for this… I had already chat with members of my team and everyone said that would do the same… Because it was always like that – you get banked ours / payment when traveling
I think I just have to wait to see what will be the final decision.

I think what Sangie is saying is that it doesn't matter a hill of beans what someone else is paid or what other people are paid in other companies.

I guess it boils down to the difference between what you & the company are calling working hours....it sounds like you are calling the moment you step outside the door working hours whereas it could be argued that you're not being productive / generating an income at that point.

sangie595

gettingtheresometime wrote: »

I think what Sangie is saying is that it doesn't matter a hill of beans what someone else is paid or what other people are paid in other companies.

I guess it boils down to the difference between what you & the company are calling working hours....it sounds like you are calling the moment you step outside the door working hours whereas it could be argued that you're not being productive / generating an income at that point.

Pretty much. Plus, it would appear the OP is "junior" - putting aside the rights and wrongs debate, it isn't uncommon for junior staff to have to trade for experience in order to progress. In other words, gaining the experience is the payment. Happens in lots of careers. If you don't like it, you get a better job. "Fair" doesn't come into it. It often doesn't when you are trying to make a career.

Chickenlips

1 - overtime normally means the additional hours outside of the businesses core hours. I.E. anything outside of 9 to 5.

2 - Was it agreed you'd do 45 hours overtime for the trip? Perhaps your colleagues are putting down lower amounts as they don't want to be unreasonable/get to enjoy seek f other cultures on the companies ticket.

3 - Perhaps 45 hours shocked your manager and they are trying to nip it in the bud before you see trips away as a license to print money. If you are logging every minute or hour they probably think you're taking the biscuit. Perhaps don't log when you're spending time between flights... consider this your break.

Agree how many hours they expect a person to work away, factoring in the requires travel. Find out what's reasonable to them before going away.

You will never get every minute back in this environment. If be I f away from family is a huge issue to the point that you want to make up for it layer, find a role with less travel as it did suit you more.