Are Zero Fizzy Drinks Healthy?

Stoke

theoretica wrote: »

Except you are way off in your estimate. When you press an apple for juice you have quite a bit of pulp left and that has calories left in it. Easy enough to check the ball park of the figure against published calories in commercial apple juice.



Here for instance, fresh pressed applejuice 250 calories in 500ml juice.


http://calorielab.com/brands/trader-joes-fresh-pressed-apple-juice/46/2004466

The reason I didn't filter the pulp, is because most people I've seen creating these smoothies seem to leave it in.

Edit:
Just to add though, 250 calories for a 500ml glass is still a lot, when you can grab a bottle of Coke Zero and consume 10 calories.

Red-Squirrel_2

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

I believe that the sugar drinks are healthier, if thats the right word for it.
Sugar, even though it goes through a refining process, is a natural product and we have been eating it for many a year.
Artifical sweeteners, on the other hand are just that. Artificial and not good for us.
I would never feed my child a drink made with artifical sweeteners.

Ebola is natural.

QuackQuackOops

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Ebola is natural.

What a useless comment.

Ebola is not food

Stoke

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

What a useless comment.

Ebola is not food

You're right its not, but I think what Red-Squirrel was doing is similar to what I was doing (albeit indirectly), which is basically highlighting this idea that sticking words like 'natural' and 'good' in front of terms doesn't necessarily strengthen your argument. Kentucky Fried Chicken.....Natural Fried Chicken.

It all comes back to the number..... I promise

Red-Squirrel_2

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

What a useless comment.

Ebola is not food

Just saying, natural is not a synonym for good. If you want a better example, sesame seeds are natural, and are food, but they're in the news at the moment for killing a 15 year old girl.

Stoke

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Just saying, natural is not a synonym for good. If you want a better example, sesame seeds are natural, and are food, but they're in the news at the moment for killing a 15 year old girl.

I think we're both banging our heads against a wall here.

Ultimately, you can't fool Science.... that's why it's Scientific. Your body really doesn't discriminate when processing foods. 'Real', 'Good', 'Natural', 'Probiotic', 'Whole Grain', 'Gluten Free'.... all of these words are honestly not that important.

If you're a healthy adult and have no specific medical requirements, and are consuming a balanced diet (and that technically includes fast food), the only thing that really matters is your calorie intake. It's as simple as that. :cool: The seeds they put on top of that expensive wholegrain loaf really don't make it significantly healthier..... calories people...... calories.

trailingspouse

I think Red Squirrel makes a fair point about it just happens that the foods I like are the ones I consider to be 'good' foods. So I started to think about the junk foods that I like, and there are a few - but I choose not to eat them, even though I like them, I guess because I want to be healthy more than I want to eat rubbish.



And Stoke - yes calorie intake is important, but what makes up those calories is important too. You talk yourself about a 'balanced' diet, so you're agreeing that there are some foods that are better than others, and not all foods are equal. You talk about making apple juice - I would simply say you're actually better off just eating the apple. A wholegrain loaf (seeded or not) is better than a white one - and I would also suggest that you will feel fuller on a slice of wholegrain than on a slice of white, thus reducing calorie intake and providing better nutrition all in one go.

Moderation in all things - an old-fashioned notion, but still true.

Red-Squirrel_2

Stoke wrote: »

I think we're both banging our heads against a wall here.

Ultimately, you can't fool Science.... that's why it's Scientific. Your body really doesn't discriminate when processing foods. 'Real', 'Good', 'Natural', 'Probiotic', 'Whole Grain', 'Gluten Free'.... all of these words are honestly not that important.

If you're a healthy adult and have no specific medical requirements, and are consuming a balanced diet (and that technically includes fast food), the only thing that really matters is your calorie intake. It's as simple as that. :cool: The seeds they put on top of that expensive wholegrain loaf really don't make it significantly healthier..... calories people...... calories.

That’s not actually true though. Nutrition does matter. A reasonable balanced diet will cover most requirements without you having to put too much thought in, but deficiencies can cause real health problems.

You could eat 2000kcal of bacon and chocolate every day, you’d be getting the right amount of calories but your nutrition would be awful and you’d suffer for it eventually. I’m vegan, and I have to make sure I get my B12 artificially because it isn’t in any of the ‘natural’ food I eat and without it I would become ill eventually.

There’s so much more to health than what you weigh!

Red-Squirrel_2

trailingspouse wrote: »

I think Red Squirrel makes a fair point about it just happens that the foods I like are the ones I consider to be 'good' foods. So I started to think about the junk foods that I like, and there are a few - but I choose not to eat them, even though I like them, I guess because I want to be healthy more than I want to eat rubbish.

Except for wine.

littlerock

I was getting really bad headaches a few years back, lie migraines and could not get to the bottom of it. A friend suggested I try cutting out artificial sweeteners and the headaches stopped. Just like that. It took me a little while longer to track down the actual culprit - aspartame. Particularly as it even turns up in Medicines e.g. Lemsip

Now I avoid artificial sweeteners altogether. So it was more than a bit depressing when the sugar tax led to artificial sweeteners being ssubstitued for sugar in many soft drinks and cordials, for example the new formula SanPellegrino drink now contains "sweeteners of natural origin" in place of sugar. Can I really trust such an all encompassing statement.?

So can anyone recommend any sugar based fizzy drinks and coridals for people like me who avoid artificial sweeteners because some at least have nasty side effects on us.