Schools providing Sanitary protection

Comms69

culpepper wrote: »

Not true and never really was. Even in victorian times, men were MADE to be responsible for their illegitamate offspring if there was any likelihood that they were the father.
Nowadays of course there is DNA testing which does at least help the mother prove patronage.
Of course not all condoms are used solely for birth control as any AIDS related health worker would point out.

A young man who is earning minimum wage or is unemployed has very little to lose by fathering a child.


A young woman on the other hand loses her independence for the next 20 years.


So yes it is true.

Comms69

phryne wrote: »

It's a case of prioritising. As I mentioned already, people have smartphones, netflix, designer specs and very nice clothing. Yet they can't afford sanitary protection..

Exactly, but that discussion seems to be 'off limits', the poor are poor and looking at how that money is spent is seen as some kind of taboo.

Comms69

annandale wrote: »

Not all women or teenagers get gel nails done. Wear make up. Or have the latest smartphone. - no they don't. But where is that money going?

Have a read at jack Monroes diary when she was living on 10 pounds spare a week. See how many times she got her gel nails done. - In fairness she was also living in the most expensive city in the country iirc.

I've worked with teenagers who lived away from the family home. They lived on the basic jsa. No luxuries.

As I said, you are going on ignore because you seem to be taking offence at everything I say. Because I've given Mooloo support on another thread.

You have zero to say that interests me. I live well below the poverty line just now

I have a phone and Internet because you have to when you are on uc.

I don't get gel nails done. I can't remember the last time I bought new make up. Or new clothes. I've had two nights out this year. - I've had none. But you carry on following me around the boards if it makes you feel happy. I won't see your posts unless someone else quotes them from now on

I don't have the latest smartphone. I'm currently in fuel poverty. Period poverty. I run a home on a pittance. There are projects in my area feeding kids who are in receipt of free school meals during the summer. That's poverty. There's a baby bank in my area that helps families on the breadline. It's seen thousands of cases. Women who have suffered domestic violence and have had to leave their homes with nothing.

And until March this year I worked part time. I was still in poverty. I'll be working as of this weekend. I'll still be in poverty.

There are millions of people in the UK who live well below the line and people think its all gel nails smartphones and chocolate?

I don't eat chocolate either BTW. Or smoke. And I have no TV. Just incase that's the next thing spouted

This sounds like an issue in terms of outgoings rather than income. No-one should expect to live in literally the most expensive city in the world whilst not working.


I don't know where you live, obviously. But sometimes one needs to relocate.

annandale

I have a friend who left an abusive relationship. Her partner went off sick to avoid paying child maintenance. He was loaded. I mean earning hundreds of thousands of pounds. The csa had no issue with that and she had to spend a lot of money she did not having getting a share of what she was owed from the relationship. She had sold her flat to put the proceeds into their home. She went from living a comfortable lifestyle to being much much poorer in the space of weeks.

Peoples circumstances can change. And quickly. There is no point saying women get this and that if they earn this and that. You don't know what someone's bills are. Childcare. Rent. Family support or lack of it.

People can fall through the gaps. There are people who have waited months for their first uc payment. Not weeks. Months. I've worked with a lot of people in poverty over the years.

Irrespective of what the turn to us website tells people it is not always easy.

Oh. And if employers paid a decent wage in the first place no one would need to claim uc or wtc

Silvertabby

Right or wrong, I've just returned from doing a Sainsbury's shop - which included popping a couple of packets of sanpro into the food bank collection bin (and a packet of cat food, but that's probably another story).

Comms69

annandale wrote: »

I have a friend who left an abusive relationship. Her partner went off sick to avoid paying child maintenance. He was loaded. I mean earning hundreds of thousands of pounds. - sure, it happens. Just to be clear, i've never included CMS payments in my calculations because they are not guaranteed. The csa had no issue with that and she had to spend a lot of money she did not having getting a share of what she was owed from the relationship. - I'm not clear what that means, do you mean selling property etc? Because as far as I know legal aid is still available for victims of DV in civil cases. She had sold her flat to put the proceeds into their home. She went from living a comfortable lifestyle to being much much poorer in the space of weeks. - She could've got an occupation and non-molestation order, the mechanisms are there. If she chose not to use them (and that's not a judgment, just a fact) then how else do you expect the state to intervene

Peoples circumstances can change. And quickly. There is no point saying women get this and that if they earn this and that. - well there is, because you cant just pick a point in time and say this is the circumstance from now on. As you said they change, and therefore you have to go with the average, day to day. You don't know what someone's bills are. Childcare. Rent. Family support or lack of it. - indeed, but I can take a guess at it. Like I said, you have to pick your environment as appropriate to your means. Anyone expecting to live in London and be unemployed will obviously struggle.

People can fall through the gaps. There are people who have waited months for their first uc payment. Not weeks. Months. - yes, but again rare and extreme cases should never set policy. Because I could counter and say lots of people have had absolutely no problem with claiming benefits. I've worked with a lot of people in poverty over the years.

Irrespective of what the turn to us website tells people it is not always easy.

Oh. And if employers paid a decent wage in the first place no one would need to claim uc or wtc

The reason that employers pay the NMW is because the government subsidises private businesses. I imagine if those subsidies stopped (WTC, UC, etc.) the businesses would very quickly up the wages, as they need employees to continue functioning.


So on that I agree, employers should pay more.

Comms69

Silvertabby wrote: »

Right or wrong, I've just returned from doing a Sainsbury's shop - which included popping a couple of packets of sanpro into the food bank collection bin (and a packet of cat food, but that's probably another story).

Good on you, I think I said at the start anyone wanting to privately fund these initiatives should be fully supported and praised.

Red-Squirrel_2

Silvertabby wrote: »

Right or wrong, I've just returned from doing a Sainsbury's shop - which included popping a couple of packets of sanpro into the food bank collection bin (and a packet of cat food, but that's probably another story).

Right! Thank you for doing that, you’ve helped someone in need. X

Izadora

Comms69 wrote: »

But sometimes one needs to relocate.

Relocating costs money, quite a lot of money. I'm moving this week and it's cost my husband and me around £3K in deposits, overlapping rental periods and removals costs. How do you think people are going to save that amount of money if they're struggling to put food on the table as it is?

Comms69

Izadora wrote: »

Relocating costs money, quite a lot of money. I'm moving this week and it's cost my husband and me around £3K in deposits, overlapping rental periods and removals costs. How do you think people are going to save that amount of money if they're struggling to put food on the table as it is?

It doesn't have to cost a lot of money. Rent doesn't need to overlap for a start.


Removals costs can be very cheap, I've moved house for the cost of van hire £40 and a crate of beer for some mates. (and that's a 5 person house full of stuff)


Deposit and rent, yes that is expensive, around £1000-1200 where I am, but council do offer help with that too.