PCN's ? Fight Fire with Fire

waamo

canadabob wrote: »

Did we ALL get out of bed on the wrong side this morning to display such sour attitudes, sigh...

I'm in a good mood. It actually made me laugh. This kind of stuff has done the rounds for a while now. Inviting some ppc's to court would be asking for trouble.

I guess you aren't aware Parking Eye won in the Supreme Court? If a ppc gets their act together then you could well end up with a ccj as many people have found to their cost.

Half_way

canadabob wrote: »

Did we ALL get out of bed on the wrong side this morning to display such sour attitudes, sigh...

Your preaching to mostly the converted, take a look at the sticky thread for some real advice.


If you really want to fight then you should open up a few fronts, and where appropriate ( as in most cases) go for the landowner/entity that took on the parking company as well.
As for charging them for your wasted time by all means log all time spent in dealing with the PPC, as it could be useful if you ever end up in court and want to claim expenses.


Claiming costs outright can be done, and has been done by some ( see ehre https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9637438/Cold-caller-firm-pays-out-for-wasting-businessmans-time.html ) with other things such as un wanted phone calls and so on with mixed success, however to follow this course you will need to set things up correctly from the start, and again aim it all at the principal who took on the parking company ( where appropriate) as well as the parking company.


Fighting back is good, and people should be given the tools to do so if they wish ( ie by being told to keep a log of time spent dealing with things) but a vast majority just want to get rid of what they see as an unfair parking fine ( the unfair bit is correct, the fine bit maybe not so) again the tools to do that are in the sticky thread, help on how to use that knowledge is free - on here

System

How do I know this works ? well guess...

Could you give us the Claim number and the court. If you have the particulars, the defence, the Witness Statements, and the judge's directions it could be turned into a sticky.

Any success should be shared so it can be referred to in later cases.

fisherjim

IamEmanresu wrote: »

Could you give us the Claim number and the court. If you have the particulars, the defence, the Witness Statements, and the judge's directions it could be turned into a sticky.

Any success should be shared so it can be referred to in later cases.

My thoughts exactly, but you are more likely to get sarcasm, than a straight answer!

The_Deep

You are Don Quixote and I claim my five pesetas.

twhitehousescat

The_Deep wrote: »

You are Don Quixote and I claim my five pesetas.

I am Spartacus , get off my horse and drink your milk

Le_Kirk

send your Invoice by registered letter.

... and NEVER send a letter to a PPC by registered (even if it still existed) or any other signed for service.

Guys_Dad

canadabob wrote: »

Did we ALL get out of bed on the wrong side this morning to display such sour attitudes, sigh...

The reason is that you are peddling wrong information that some Newbies might follow. They would then, almost to a man/woman, lose in court. So your post deserved, and got, negative replies

That advice is not money saving!!

luverlyjubbly

To try and be a bit more positive, any thoughts on a route to hurt scammers operating on on apartment blocks...

Put a sign in your windscreen when parked in your own apartment parking space - it is a contract binding anyone who wanders into your space and attaches a Pcn.
It says that they will be charged for entering private land and defacing a vehicle, and they have no authority to operate, any dvla request will be a dpa breach etc...

Their pcn tells you who to claim against.

Your sign is no worse than a PPCs, and likely more legit as you own the space. The sign is clearly visible as it is positioned where they attach the pcn.

Onviously only someone looking for a fight would try this and the lease would come into play as usual.

This would put the ppc on the other end of a claim at the very least and have them trawling around for leases and paperwork.

Are there any obvious downfalls (apart from you need to get a pcn to test it and it will be a bit of work)?

twhitehousescat

luverlyjubbly wrote: »

To try and be a bit more positive, any thoughts on a route to hurt scammers operating on on apartment blocks...

Put a sign in your windscreen when parked in your own apartment parking space - it is a contract binding anyone who wanders into your space and attaches a Pcn.
It says that they will be charged for entering private land and defacing a vehicle, and they have no authority to operate, any dvla request will be a dpa breach etc...

Their pcn tells you who to claim against.

Your sign is no worse than a PPCs, and likely more legit as you own the space. The sign is clearly visible as it is positioned where they attach the pcn.

Onviously only someone looking for a fight would try this and the lease would come into play as usual.

This would put the ppc on the other end of a claim at the very least and have them trawling around for leases and paperwork.

Are there any obvious downfalls (apart from you need to get a pcn to test it and it will be a bit of work)?

this has been done before and a court case followed , the time and energy used did not equate to the punishment to the parking Co

(a doctor (I think)- residential land )