Lied about medical conditions on my employment form

Comms69

Rosemary7391 wrote: »

Sure - but they can do that by asking after the specific conditions they're concerned about, no? Not by asking for all conditions. (Admittedly I'm not sure what format the OP's form took - when we hire for church we just ask something like "Do you have any condition that may impact your ability to do this job?" and I think OP would've been fine saying no provided all the things mentioned were under control at the time.).

It depends. The list of conditions to ask about would in all likelihood make a very long form.


References usually ask for example for number of sick days anyway, so by not answering such questions honestly it can cause additional harm anyway.

Comms69

Me2you wrote: »

Employer - here’s a job and btw fill out this medical form. It wasn’t discussed at the interview or application stage you would need to fill it out, but here you go. - I suspect they also asked you to fill in a form for your bank details, which wasn't discussed at either application or interview...

Me - ok. I’ll going to lie because I don’t need unqualified people to know about my medical conditions - unqualified in what way? They're not diagnosing you so they don't need to be doctors. I suspect they're qualified sufficiently in the relevant field; certainly to a standard agrees by the employer! that generally don’t affect my work and I’ve been given the job anyway. I don’t know who this form is seen by and as my conditions fluctuate I’ll “cross that bridge when we get to it”. - Exactly, they fluctuate, you don't actually care about your employer. They could have arranged a contract with an agency to cover any time off you might need, or create a back-up on call rota. No you're happy to leave them in the deep end

My thoughts....
Why should I give my employer any chance to have a negative view about myself, based on their lack of knowledge about my medical conditions? - Instead you'd rather they had a very definite bad view of you on the fact that you're untrustworthy If they had an occupational therapist or doctor, I wouldn’t have lied. - how do you know they don't?! I’m not asking them to give me anything. If I come into work they are going to be wondering “is she bipolar today, she’s going to go psyco, I must treat her kindly”.

Or they'll be thinking of work, like most people do. No offence but no-one actually cares about your condition in such a way that you will cross their mind at any point other than when there is work to be done.


What's really interesting though is your belief that after two years you're bullet proof.

sangie595

Me2you wrote: »

Employer - here’s a job and btw fill out this medical form. It wasn’t discussed at the interview or application stage you would need to fill it out, but here you go.

Me - ok. I’ll going to lie because I don’t need unqualified people to know about my medical conditions that generally don’t affect my work and I’ve been given the job anyway. I don’t know who this form is seen by and as my conditions fluctuate I’ll “cross that bridge when we get to it”.

My thoughts....
Why should I give my employer any chance to have a negative view about myself, based on their lack of knowledge about my medical conditions? If they had an occupational therapist or doctor, I wouldn’t have lied. I’m not asking them to give me anything. If I come into work they are going to be wondering “is she bipolar today, she’s going to go psyco, I must treat her kindly”.

No, actually we're mostly wondering why you are trolling?! If there is any truth at all to this, which I'm rapidly beginning to doubt, you lied. You said you lied. You did lie. Your reasons are irrelevant. Live with the consequences of your own actions. So what advice is there left on that subject? What advice was there ever to give? Your are simply attempting to prolong the thread with irrelevance. I'm out. Good luck with your lying.

Undervalued

Me2you wrote: »

Employer - here’s a job and btw fill out this medical form. It wasn’t discussed at the interview or application stage you would need to fill it out, but here you go.

Me - ok. I’ll going to lie because I don’t need unqualified people to know about my medical conditions that generally don’t affect my work and I’ve been given the job anyway. I don’t know who this form is seen by and as my conditions fluctuate I’ll “cross that bridge when we get to it”.

My thoughts....
Why should I give my employer any chance to have a negative view about myself, based on their lack of knowledge about my medical conditions? If they had an occupational therapist or doctor, I wouldn’t have lied. I’m not asking them to give me anything. If I come into work they are going to be wondering “is she bipolar today, she’s going to go psyco, I must treat her kindly”.

Right back in your first post you said.....

I was offered a job and didn’t tell them about my bipolar, SAD and sleep disorder.

Been in the job a few months.

Was worried they wouldn’t hire me.

What do I do?

So you admit you lied in order to secure employment. Technically that is fraud.

If your employer finds out, at any point, it would be valid grounds to dismiss you. Whether they will dismiss you or not is another matter but plenty would.

Generally, once you start lying you have to keep on in an attempt to cover up. Sooner or later it will catch you out.

Filo25

The key will be how well your conditions are controlled and therefore don't noticeably impact on your job, if you are confident that they are then quite honestly there is no reason for your emplyer to ever find out about this, if they aren't well controlled going forwards then you obviously have problems ahead and as others have said those problems aren't necessarily going to go away just because you complete 2 years service.

I'm not going to get all judgmental over this one, it obviously isn't an ideal situation but I know there can still be a lot of stigma attached to mental illness and equally I know firms don't always behave ideally when they found out about such things either.

Rosemary7391

Comms69 wrote: »

It depends. The list of conditions to ask about would in all likelihood make a very long form.


References usually ask for example for number of sick days anyway, so by not answering such questions honestly it can cause additional harm anyway.

Probably not for a standard office type job though. I've never seen a form that asks for a lot of detail. Maybe because I've never had the type of job that needs to ask.



I do agree that one should answer honestly or decline to answer. Lying is never good even if the lie causes no harm directly, it damages the relationship.

[Deleted User]

Me2you wrote: »

If I didnt lie the result would be the same.

Wait until you are lied too. Every Employer I've worked for this year has failed to tell the truth.

Anyway, having started a new job which came with medical screening as well as background, there was a point where I asked how lateness 'specially with it being a call centre was treated! and was told it gets treated on an 'individual basis' (before it was learnt and someone who let the cat out of the bag and couldn't recover their words that half the group are mimimum wage workers and half are paid more when there is no reason eg past experience, age etc) oh gosh what a divide to cause! Some of these Employers don't make it easy for themselves at all.

Me2you

@rosemary it was a standard office job. A days lost in any job is probamatic.

Me2you

@filo yes they are controlled and anyone can get depressed, anxiety and work related stress. My job isn’t stressful, apart from the lack of work.

cr1mson

You can't have your cake and eat it i.e. not disclose your medical conditions but derive any protections that you may have had by disclosing them.

You know need to decide whether to keep quiet or tell the truth both strategies have their risks.