Suspension from work

billy2shots

Wow, just wow.
No one mentioned breaking in.

You and your colleagues obviously have permission to work in that way, it sounds like the OP does not. Rules can differ from place to place. However I'm guessing your employers would still have a problem if you let your sister in to photocopy something or to use the internet.

Happy to agree to disagree though.

JReacher1

sangie595 wrote: »

I am answering the first line because I can't be bothered wasting my time on you reading the rest. The OP had permission to be on the premises, and opened the premises with the keys the employer gives her for the purpose. You are making stuff up. Stop it. Just stop it. I have keys to my office. So do all the other senior staff. We go there when we want. That is not breaking the law. Breaking in is breaking the law!

I don't believe this is true. The OP had keys to the premises but that doesn't give her the authority to enter the store at any point 24/7. If she opened the shop earlier than she had permission to do then that is probably a disciplinary offence.

Many years ago when I was at Uni I worked in a shop (Victoria Wine Cellars) and I had keys to the shop. I would not have been allowed to enter the shop whenever I felt like it!

TELLIT01

JReacher1 wrote: »

If she opened the shop earlier than she had permission to do then that is probably a disciplinary offence.

And that is a question to which we haven't been given an answer by the OP. I interpreted what she said as opening an hour early to set up with permission of the owner. If she opened without permission there are still 2 possible scenarios (1) She honestly believed that she did have permission possibly from misunderstanding something in a previous conversation or (2) She didn't bother to check and in that case is totally in the wrong.


From what I've read throughout this topic there is nothing so far to indicate that she opened the premises knowing that she wasn't permitted to.


I also agree with others that billy2shots is making it up as he goes along. I'm beginning to suspect that he is a new version of a member with a long name who seems to have had personal experience of every situation anybody posts about. I'm going to avoid reading or responding to any of their 'contributions' from here on. I just wish there was an option to hide any posts by a selected individual.

billy2shots

Off topic so sorry.

Tellit01,

Help me out, what am I making up? Also I've never been a member here.

p00hsticks

billy2shots wrote: »

A property developer (friend of a friend) recently went to jail because an employee entered a worksite and committed suicide. The site was closed for the night and the employee had no business being there. The developer, as a director went to jail for cooperate manslaughter.

Out of onterest, would you be able to provide a link to that case, as I suspect that your 'friend of a friend' may be pulling your plonker ?.

For a start, individuals do not get charged with corporate manslaughter - as the name suggests, companies and other organisations do.

It is possible for individuals in England who occupy senior positions in a company to be charged with 'gross negligence manslaughter' but I find it very difficult to believe that in a case such as you outline an individual would get as far as being charged, let alone found guilty and even if found guilty, imprisoned - in the few cases I'm aware of a guilty verdict has invariably resulted in a fine rather than a jail sentence.

sitesafe

Surely she opened up the shop an hour early as an employee? Was the shop open to the public also at that time? if not then the sister shouldn't have been there doing nails on someone, would insurance have covered this going on out of normal hours?

So sad there so many bullies ganging up on the new members on this site...

billy2shots

p00hsticks wrote: »

Out of onterest, would you be able to provide a link to that case, as I suspect that your 'friend of a friend' may be pulling your plonker ?.

For a start, individuals do not get charged with corporate manslaughter - as the name suggests, companies and other organisations do.

It is possible for individuals in England who occupy senior positions in a company to be charged with 'gross negligence manslaughter' but I find it very difficult to believe that in a case such as you outline an individual would get as far as being charged, let alone found guilty and even if found guilty, imprisoned - in the few cases I'm aware of a guilty verdict has invariably resulted in a fine rather than a jail sentence.

You are of course right. I will take the blame for confusing the two rather than take the easy option of blaming my friend. Perhaps the company was also charged leadiyto me mixing the two together.

I've googled the incident as I remember it being told but haven't come across it. I will ask my friend when I next see him for the relevant names making it easier to track down. Google did show plenty of directors going to jail and companies also being fined.

There's always a risk of plonker pulling but I have no reason to suspect it in this instance.

sitesafe

billy2shots wrote: »

Off topic so sorry.



Help me out, what am I making up? Also I've never been a member here.

Sadly there are many people in here that see themselves as some kind of authority who appear to seek out the new members and give them a hard time in response to their questions - sorry you've not been made to feel very welcome. There are some decent folk that won't cross question you

elsien

sitesafe wrote: »

Sadly there are many people in here that see themselves as some kind of authority who appear to seek out the new members and give them a hard time in response to their questions - sorry you've not been made to feel very welcome. There are some decent folk that won't cross question you

It's nothing to do with giving people a hard time. Or cross questioning them. But if people post information on here which others think is incorrect then they will say so particularly where said potentially incorrect information can either mislead or frighten the life out of the OP.

antrobus

sitesafe wrote: »

Sadly there are many people in here that see themselves as some kind of authority who appear to seek out the new members and give them a hard time in response to their questions - sorry you've not been made to feel very welcome. There are some decent folk that won't cross question you

Sadly what we have here is a new member who sees themselves as some kind of authority on the law.

Pointing out that they are wrong is not giving them a 'hard time'. Or are you saying we should all just stand by and let someone post advice that is bad and wrong for fear of offending your snowflake sensibilities?