Calling Linux/Ubuntu users

tronator

keith969 wrote: »

... so the cmd line stuff you learn with one version can suddenly stop working with an upgrade (as I found from Ubuntu 17 to 18 migration)

Can you give a single example?

debitcardmayhem

tronator wrote: »

Can you give a single example?

I too would be interested in one , and as keith969 said linux is constantly changing , don’t windows or macos or iOS? The latter 3 often stop supporting perfectly useful hardware.

keith969

tronator wrote: »

Can you give a single example?

Yes, the VMWare tools failed on 18.04 due to net-tools (in particular ifconfig) being dropped from the default installation as of that version.

Then after fixing that, networking was not starting, after some googling found I had to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file to add my interface. Not sure why that was not set up during installation.

And don't get me started on printer setup

boliston

tronator wrote: »

Can you give a single example?

i find its better to just do a clean install of a new version rather than use the upgrade path - less chance of something breaking

S0litaire

I usually do upgrades rather than clean installs (I try to only do a clean install once every LTS or if I've mucked things up or have been click happy installing programs I use once and then forget about)

Never had an issue with networking.

Usually an installer should check for dependences upon install, and if it was after an upgrade, the upgrade should not have removed "net-tools" by default unless it was conflicting with another newer package that the system depends on.

Saying that I tend to use Virtual Box by default. Just started looking at VMWare a bit more seriously as I'm thinking of moving my linux install to my gaming rig so i can run a Virtual install of Win10 for playing games and still have Linux as my daily driver.

keith969

S0litaire wrote: »

Saying that I tend to use Virtual Box by default. Just started looking at VMWare a bit more seriously as I'm thinking of moving my linux install to my gaming rig so i can run a Virtual install of Win10 for playing games and still have Linux as my daily driver.

I've used Virtual Box, Parallels and VMWare. Of the 3, Virtual Box was the most flaky, crashed several times. Parallels is OK (I run a CentOS 6 VM on a Max on OSX, don't ask but VMWare seems the most reliable and can withstand a power cut - but its not free.

esuhl

boliston wrote: »

i find its better to just do a clean install of a new version rather than use the upgrade path - less chance of something breaking

That's another thing I like about Arch Linux. It's a "rolling release" distro, so there are no new versions to install -- everything can be upgraded from the package manager.

keith969

esuhl wrote: »

If a "very limited and controlled ecosystem" are positive points for you, no wonder you don't like GNU/Linux -- it's the complete opposite!

It's not that I 'don't like' GNU/Linux. As said I have to run all 3 OS's as the software I develop has to run on all 3. In that respect I'm agnostic.

I'd just rather not be fiddling with obscure issues every time I have to set up a new VM for a particular OS. To be fair, Windows is sometimes not a walk in the park either, what with the dreaded registry.

But the MacBook comes with the OS installed, updates are handled seamlessly, and I seem to spend zero time maintaining it. So yes it does depend on what you want.

tronator

keith969 wrote: »

Yes, the VMWare tools failed on 18.04 due to net-tools (in particular ifconfig) being dropped from the default installation as of that version.

You must have been doing something wrong. I just installed a new Ubuntu 18.04.1 server and of course net-tools with ifconfig is there by default.

keith969

tronator wrote: »

You must have been doing something wrong. I just installed a new Ubuntu 18.04.1 server and of course net-tools with ifconfig is there by default.

I don't know about server but desktop 18.04 does NOT install net-tools by default. Go google it if you don't believe me.