We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Property Ownership

2»

Comments

  • Tom99
    Tom99 Posts: 5,371 Forumite
    1,000 Posts Second Anniversary
    RaraAvis wrote: »
    thank you. these links are very helpful. I have LR title deed with me, which simply mentions our names and nothing about 'joint' or 'tenant in common' status. Where is the transfer deed, is it kept by solicitors or should I have a copy?


    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Look under B: Proprietorship Register[/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]No disposition by a sole proprietor of the registered estate (except a trust corporation) under which capital money arises is to be registered unless authorised by an order of the court.[/FONT]
  • RaraAvis
    RaraAvis Posts: 8 Forumite
    Yes that section is present (which I doesn't understand even a word of) as you typed under B...

    Proprietorship Register
    No disposition by a sole proprietor of the registered estate (except a trust corporation) under which capital money arises is to be registered unless authorised by an order of the court.


    Also there are two more restrictions below the one you specified.... (again beyond my understanding)... Nothing like 'tenant in common' thing...
  • xylophone
    xylophone Posts: 45,765 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 7 August 2018 at 3:36PM
    Being married couple automatically implies that property is held jointly?

    Married people can own a property as tenants-in-common if they so choose.

    They may opt to hold a property as joint tenants on the basis that if one of them were to predecease the other, the property would pass to the spouse automatically by right of survivorship, regardless of any will, which is not the case with tenants in common.

    The FAQ here may be of interest.

    https://www.deedoftrust.co.uk/restrictions/

    If you do not understand your rights and obligations, consult a solicitor who will explain them.
  • Land_Registry
    Land_Registry Posts: 6,212 Organisation Representative
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    You are looking to cover a lot of ground in what is a complex area of the law. Here are some basic points to consider although these matters would normally have been discussed and understood when you bought the property, entered into the DoT and mortgaged in joint names.

    The register is not definitive re such detail and the term 'tenants in common' is not referred to on the register.

    Joint owners may indicate that they wish to hold the property as tenants in common when they are registered or may decide to sever their joint tenancy at some stage. In your case it appears you entered into a DoT, which we would not nromally see, and completed the Transfer (form TR1) panel 10

    When this happens, and where the land is registered, we can register a Form A restriction on the registered title, namely
    'No disposition by a sole proprietor of the registered estate (except a trust corporation) under which capital money arises is to be registered unless authorised by an order of the court'

    The Form A restriction does not itself change the ownership from beneficial joint tenancy to tenancy in common. The restriction only reflects the request or change made.

    For further information see Joint property ownership available on the GOV.UK website

    A registered title deals with the legal ownership. This means that when one of joint owners dies the legal ownership passes to the surviving joint owner.

    The DoT and indeed your wills relate to the beneficial ownership and your respective shares in that. The survivor would account for these when dealing with the property following the death as mentioned. If they did not then the beneficiaries, your children, are likely to be able to take legal action.

    It is important to make wills in such cases to provide clarity as to what is to happen re your beneficial interests/shares.

    Finally, to help distinguish between the legal and beneficial ownerships and how the the registration process views these a simple analogy may help

    The legal ownership should be thought of as the bricks & mortar and land of the property. They can't be 'split' in that you get 99% of each and your partner 1%.

    The beneficial ownership relates to the value of the bricks & mortar and land less any mortgage. Think of that in £s and that can of course be split with say £99K being your beneficial share and £1K being your partners

    You can leave your beneficial shares to the children.
    But the legal ownership always has to be dealt with as a whole, hence the DoT and wills being important to help the surviving joint owner deal with the property and beneficial shares appropriately
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of Land Registry. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
  • RaraAvis
    RaraAvis Posts: 8 Forumite
    Thank you so much Land Registry. This reply is very much useful and what was ideally looking for providing answers to most of my questions. I can see that DOT and will are v important in case of tenant in common. Does DOT beneficiary ownership share applies in case of divorce as well or it this DOT nullifies ? also is it possible to revoke or change this DOT without the other partner's consent in case there is any disagreement between partners?
  • Land_Registry
    Land_Registry Posts: 6,212 Organisation Representative
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    RaraAvis wrote: »
    Thank you so much Land Registry. This reply is very much useful and what was ideally looking for providing answers to most of my questions. I can see that DOT and will are v important in case of tenant in common. Does DOT beneficiary ownership share applies in case of divorce as well or it this DOT nullifies ? also is it possible to revoke or change this DOT without the other partner's consent in case there is any disagreement between partners?

    Two things we don't deal with I'm afraid so you'll need others to advise on how DoT affects matters during a divorce and whether you can change it without the other's consent/involvement

    I'm guessing No in each case but would be interested to read what others with better knowledge re such things suggest. But do get legal advice, perhaps from the person who helped you put together the DoT as I woukd have expected this to have been covered then.
    Official Company Representative
    I am the official company representative of Land Registry. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 352.3K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.6K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454.3K Spending & Discounts
  • 245.3K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 601.1K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.6K Life & Family
  • 259.2K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.