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Need advice: bad neighbours

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  • If their landlord becomes aware of it, then the landlord could become guilty of a money laundering offence by accepting rent if this could be considered to be the proceeds of crime. A chat with the landlord along these lines might spur them into action.

    I would report via Crimestoppers and start looking for somewhere else to live.
  • corell
    corell Posts: 56 Forumite
    edited 2 December 2018 at 11:38PM
    Just thought I'd add an update to this.
    They still live next door. We have contacted the agency they rent through a few weeks ago, which is ran by an elderly lady. We met up with her and I've given 9 pages of diary and we had a big discussion about it. I know she has spoken to them as we had abuse shouted at us when going out, always shouted from an upstairs window.

    We also had words the other day as they tried to say we were noisy. After banging from them since 6am we got a bit fed up and my husband stomped up the stairs in frustration about 10am. 10 minutes later they came knocking.
    Later that day we spoke and I feel that let out a bit of my anger/frustration but I know it's not the end of it. One had the cheek to say "the landlady is coming out, nothing will happen, we won't get evicted". They are using the mental health route as their reasoning for their behaviour so I assume the visit will contain a lot of "we have mental health issues" which was what was said a LOT in our 'conversation'. They had a social worker assist them getting the property.

    The lady from the agency is going to see them so we will see where that goes, but I don't have a lot of faith in anything happening (via her) so I am going to have to take the council route or contact the actual landlord (address unknown). She is aware now there is drug use at the property, you would think this would make a difference?

    I did give up at one point, my anxiety has been awfully debilitating and I have been more nauseous than I was when pregnant! However I'm feeling a lot better at the moment, just hoping it lasts. I go between wanting to fight it through and get them out, and wanting to just move but family want us to stay and as I'm my father's carer, it's a tough situation.
    The only good thing right now is I know they haven't signed a new tenancy and their initial 6 months are up.. I'm hoping the threat of going to the council will be enough for the agent, but if not I will apply pressure to the landlord. I've also got the details now to pass to other neighbours which I am more than happy to do!

    If anyone knows of any route I can take, please feel free to give advice. Especially regarding the mental health side of things and if this could help them stay? I'm pretty sure one/both are on probation too if this makes a difference.
    Thanks
  • Cakeguts
    Cakeguts Posts: 7,627 Forumite
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    People with severe mental illnesses do not upset their neighbours. They are making excuses. There is nothing about mental illness that stops people from being polite and thinking of other people as in not causing problems for neighbours. Also mental illness doesn't cause people to shout abuse at their neighbours. What causes this in antisocial people. Antisocial people do this without being mentally ill. The mental illness is a separate issue.



    In fact it annoys me a lot that these horrible people are excusing their behaviour by using mental illness as an excuse because it makes people think that all mentally ill people behave like this.
  • AdrianC
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    If they really are freshly out of prison, they will almost certainly still be on licence.
    The alleged drugs offences will definitely be a breach of any licence, and will see them recalled in short order.


    Crimestoppers - 0800 555 111


    Even if they are not still on licence, then reporting the drugs offences will help the police build a picture of the trade in the area, intelligence which will likely lead to arrests sooner or later.

    For the more general antisocial behaviour issues, then the council are the people.
  • Norman_Castle
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    corell wrote: »
    If anyone knows of any route I can take, please feel free to give advice. Especially regarding the mental health side of things and if this could help them stay? I'm pretty sure one/both are on probation too if this makes a difference.
    Have they all got mental health issues? Do these issues force them to behave like obnoxious idiots? The landlord ending the tenancy will be the quickest route assuming this is possible. Its likely they have as little respect for the property as they do for you.


    Being on probation shouldn't make a difference. Unless their crimes were neighbour related its irrelevant to you and its probably best you avoid using this as leverage as it makes it appear you simply dislike them rather than are troubled by the ongoing problems.
  • missprice
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    I'm also thinking the landlord/lady themselves presumably wouldnt want them as tenants if they knew what they were like??

    You are so sweet sometimes 🙂
    Landlords generally don't care so long as rent is paid.
    My best advice is wait it out. The kinds of people we are talking about here, do not care about neighbours, making noise nuisance, paying rent, being tidy, being civil.
    Eventually it all catches up and they get moved on. Or
    Talk to the neighbours around, get a consensus going, either make the new neighbours lives hell, or all gang together with reporting to police, landlord, council, noise nuisance, environmental health, who ever you can all think of.
    63 mortgage payments to go.

    Zero wins 2016 😥
  • AdrianC
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    missprice wrote: »
    You are so sweet sometimes 🙂
    Landlords generally don't care so long as rent is paid.
    My best advice is wait it out. The kinds of people we are talking about here, do not care about neighbours, making noise nuisance, paying rent, being tidy, being civil.
    I've highlighted your inherent contradiction, one of the reasons why landlords very much DO care about tenants like this.


    However, remember that if they just moved in when the thread was started in the summer, then they're very likely still in a fixed period of their tenancy, so giving them notice is not that simple. Even as and when the fixed period becomes a periodic tenancy, two months notice is required.
  • missprice
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    AdrianC wrote: »
    I've highlighted your inherent contradiction, one of the reasons why landlords very much DO care about tenants like this.


    However, remember that if they just moved in when the thread was started in the summer, then they're very likely still in a fixed period of their tenancy, so giving them notice is not that simple. Even as and when the fixed period becomes a periodic tenancy, two months notice is required.


    Yes but so long as the tenants pay they can stay. I don't know these people, possibly these people know that paying rent means they get to stay, until all other things catch up with them.
    Possibly these people have not yet learnt to keep paying rent, in which case they will be out sooner.

    I hadn't read the whole thread when I posted, so my apologies.
    63 mortgage payments to go.

    Zero wins 2016 😥
  • Cakeguts
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    missprice wrote: »
    You are so sweet sometimes 🙂
    Landlords generally don't care so long as rent is paid.
    My best advice is wait it out. The kinds of people we are talking about here, do not care about neighbours, making noise nuisance, paying rent, being tidy, being civil.
    Eventually it all catches up and they get moved on. Or
    Talk to the neighbours around, get a consensus going, either make the new neighbours lives hell, or all gang together with reporting to police, landlord, council, noise nuisance, environmental health, who ever you can all think of.


    Which landlords? I am a landlord and they would be out of one of my houses at the first opportunity. We don't keep tenants who upset neighbours. In fact they would not have got the house in the first place if they had been vetted by our agents.
  • OP
    Borrow some money for a new deposit.
    You can pay it back when you get your current deposit.
    You wouldn't need to move too far away to stop exposure to the toxic neighbours.
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