Recently purchased flat. Noisey neighbours

Norman_Castle

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Someone walking around at 11:30pm? You think that's unreasonable?

Nobody is saying that noise can't be unreasonable. This isn't.

Did I mention 11.30pm? Being woken throughout the night by noise that could probably be prevented is clearly unwelcome and refusing to try to improve the situation is unreasonable.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Did I mention 11.30pm? Being woken throughout the night by noise that could probably be prevented is clearly unwelcome and refusing to try to improve the situation is unreasonable.

The OP mentioned 11:30pm. She goes to bed by "11:30/12" - an hour later than he does. Do you think it is unreasonable of her to move around occasionally during this time?

As for getting up during the night, nobody is doing this for fun.
Getting up during the night and walking to the bathroom is not unreasonable behaviour. Do you claim it is? How do you think his neighbour should prevent and improve the situation?

Norman_Castle

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

How do you think his neighbour should prevent and improve the situation?

I go to bed around 10.30pm and her stomping, constantly dropping things wakes me up. It sounds like she's about to come through the ceiling. This goes on for about an hour until she's in bed. She then gets up at least 4/5 times in the night, sometimes every hour. I've spoken to her and she said she try to be more considerate (nothing changed). I spoke to her again and mentioned that I think her floor boards needs screwing down (as every single one seems to creek) but that we also should consider sound proofing. She refused and said she's not taking her carpets up. 1) I'm shocked that she has carpets because it really doesn't sound like it

Understanding she is noisy and making some effort would be a start.


I get up during the night without stomping or dropping things. I close doors quietly and have fitted decent soundproofing. My neighbours don't complain about me waking them at night because my moderated behaviour doesn't wake them up.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Understanding she is noisy and making some effort would be a start.


I get up during the night without stomping or dropping things. I close doors quietly and have fitted decent soundproofing. My neighbours don't complain about me waking them at night because my moderated behaviour doesn't wake them up.

Do you honestly think she is constantly stamping about like a pantomime giant and dropping things or do you think it just sounds like that when she walks about normally?

It's not up to a person living in an upstairs flat to soundproof it. It's up to the person in the downstairs flat. If they don't like it they shouldn't buy it/rent it.

Norman_Castle

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Do you honestly think she is constantly stamping about like a pantomime giant and dropping things or do you think it just sounds like that when she walks about normally?

It's not up to a person living in an upstairs flat to soundproof it. It's up to the person in the downstairs flat. If they don't like it they shouldn't buy it/rent it.

I've got a neighbour who is/was constantly banging doors and noisily moving or dropping things. She makes more noise when cooking than the kitchen fitters did replacing the kitchen. The previous tenant lived there without any of this noise. Which one's normal?

Everyone who lives in flats should make efforts to contain their noise if it disturbs others. Taking responsibility for yourself and your noise is neighbourly. If you're not willing to do that you shouldn't live in a flat.

I've had noisy neighbours dismiss their noise as "normal noise". When I match their noise they don't consider it "normal".
Self serving ignorance is unfortunately common.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I've got a neighbour who is/was constantly banging doors and noisily moving or dropping things. She makes more noise when cooking than the kitchen fitters did replacing the kitchen. The previous tenant lived there without any of this noise. Which one's normal?

Everyone who lives in flats should make efforts to contain their noise if it disturbs others. Taking responsibility for yourself and your noise is neighbourly. If you're not willing to do that you shouldn't live in a flat.

I've had noisy neighbours dismiss their noise as "normal noise". When I match their noise they don't consider it "normal".
Self serving ignorance is unfortunately common.

So you assume she is stamping about and continually dropping things between 11 and 12?

You have a right to assume the most outrageous things, so that is ok. Don't make the mistake of assuming your unwarranted assumptions constitute an argument, though.

Norman_Castle

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

So you assume she is stamping about and continually dropping things between 11 and 12?

You have a right to assume the most outrageous things, so that is ok. Don't make the mistake of assuming your unwarranted assumptions constitute an argument, though.

I'm trusting the op's judgement.

No idea why you are intent on defending this woman. Had similar complaints about your noise?



Find someone else to bicker with. Life's too short for this nonsense.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I'm trusting the op's judgement.

No idea why you are intent on defending this woman. Had similar complaints about your noise?



Find someone else to bicker with. Life's too short for this nonsense.

Because what she has been "accused" of is nonsense. It's just living life. The OP can't possibly testify to the fact that she is doing anything wrong; only that it makes a lot of noise, which is almost certainly down to the house. If you don't want to argue further - and I can see why you don't, as your position is unsustainable and you know it - then stop replying.

I live in a house by the way. It's not soundproofed. When my family move around on the first floor it can sound very loud. One accepts this. If one is unwilling to accept it from neighbours, one should get a top floor flat or a purpose built, soundproofed flat. You can't expect everyone to go to bed when you do and tiptoe around.

Norman_Castle

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Because what she has been "accused" of is nonsense. It's just living life. The OP can't possibly testify to the fact that she is doing anything wrong; only that it makes a lot of noise, which is almost certainly down to the house. If you don't want to argue further - and I can see why you don't, as your position is unsustainable and you know it - then stop replying.

I live in a house by the way. It's not soundproofed. When my family move around on the first floor it can sound very loud. One accepts this. If one is unwilling to accept it from neighbours, one should get a top floor flat or a purpose built, soundproofed flat. You can't expect everyone to go to bed when you do and tiptoe around.

So your argument is based on accepting the noise you hear when your family move around in the rooms above you.
You clearly don't understand the problem. Your ignorance of the situation is why arguing with you about this is pointless.

I also don't aim to argue with people which seem to be your intent.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Norman_Castle wrote: »

So your argument is based on accepting the noise you hear when your family move around in the rooms above you.
You clearly don't understand the problem. Your ignorance of the situation is why arguing with you about this is pointless.

I also don't aim to argue with people which seem to be your intent.

Of course I understand the problem. I have lived in flats and shared houses as well. People walk around. You hear them. What part of the problem am I failing to grasp in your view? Are you still maintaining that the upstairs neighbour is, for some unfathomable reason, stamping around the house deliberately and constantly dropping things after 10:30pm? Why do you think they are doing this? Don't you think that the most obvious answer is that they are not doing this bizarre thing, but simply acting normally and the OP is overreacting to the noise?

What do you mean, my intent is to argue with people? My intent was to make the point that you are demanding people behave in ways that are not compatible with normal, every day existence. You refuse to accept this. If you accepted it there wouldn't be any argument. If you continue to claim that people shouldn't walk round their house after the person below them has gone to bed, I will continue to reiterate that this is unreasonable on your part.