ECP - 25mins over - appeal failed

Bentles

Hi.

I think what you guys are doing here is wonderful.

Unique situation here has the car is owned by my friend who I pay monthly so I could get a mortgage, when she got the pcn I had no choice but to admit I was driving as I didn’t want her to go through all this

My appeal was simple. I arrived on site at 17:06, left at 19:31 and paid for a two hour ticket ad 19:13. When I got back to my car my phone wasn’t charged so I had to wait 15 mins for my sat Nav. I didn’t know where I was going and I didn’t realise there was npr.

Today my appeal failed. I want to make sure my appeal to popla is successful and would appreciate all help available.

Signage was clear. They’ve sent a pic of my number plate.

Any advice appreciated. I’m worried I’m going to be one of those 1% who has to pay

fisherjim

If that was your appeal point for goodness sake don't use that at POPLA!


"Signage was clear"

Was it?


"I didn’t realise there was npr."

Well the signage wasn't clear was it then was it?
It's up to them to prove that!

You need to now formulate a POPLA appeal by research on here not what happened, forget your sat nav excuses etc it's got to be procedural, signage technical etc etc


If this is Euro Car Parks why on earth would you consider paying them a bean?

Quentin

All advice on popla is to be found in the Newbies FAQ thread near the top of the forum

See #3 there

Bentles

Hi. I!!!8217;ve found a few sample letters I could use. The only problem here is that I!!!8217;m the driver, not the registered keeper, as explained to ecp. Ecp have now issued me the appeal rejected letter asking me to pay? In this instance how would I lead with my popla appeal?

KeithP

Look at other PoPLA appeals and formulate your own.

Have you read post #3 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread yet, as suggested by Quentin earlier?

There are plenty of appeal points linked from that post.

Bentles

I’m just struggling a bit with being the driver not the registered keeper

Quentin

Then you cannot use any of the "no keeper liability" defences.

You still have all the other non keeper related defence points to consider using

waamo

As you assert the signage was clear then how much bigger than the minimum standard was the small print?

What does the landowner contract say about cancellation? You must have read it.

What grace period do they allow? Is it in line with the code of practice?

Have they followed the code of practice to the letter?

Coupon-mad

Bentles wrote: »

I'm just struggling a bit with being the driver not the registered keeper

Why?

People do POPLA appeals here all the time here when they've blabbed about who was driving, and the template POPLA points in post #3 of the NEWBIES thread apply, except the one about 'no keeper liability'. And if a person loses at POPLA here, they just ignore the eejits; no-one PAYS!

I'd expect you to use three of our standard template points. Obviously no PPC signs are 'clear'.

waamo

Tarambor wrote: »

Nice to see you telling people to make fraudulent claims and representations.....

Seems to be a theme on this board.

!!!!!! are you on about? If you assert at POPLA the signs aren't clear then all the ppc has to do is show they are. That's how the law works, you are entitled to a defence.

They never are clear so people win. It's entirely lawful and isn't misrepresentation or fraud.

Guys_Dad

waamo wrote: »

!!!!!! are you on about? If you assert at POPLA the signs aren't clear then all the ppc has to do is show they are. That's how the law works, you are entitled to a defence.

They never are clear so people win. It's entirely lawful and isn't misrepresentation or fraud.

So no one would ever lose at POPLA then?

You have to do more than say the signs were not clear or up to standard. You have to have some photographic evidence.

As coupon-mad says, you need to add the other relevant technical points as well.