TUPE rights

lisyloo

Lavendyr wrote: »

Is the date of the pension payment in your contract?

No, but it does say

The Employee's contributions shall be made by way of deduct from the Employee's salary

so on that basis I currently believe mgdavid is incorrect

The TUPE consultation was that there would be no detriment in any way.

lisyloo

agrinnall wrote: »

How much time are you wasting worrying about a theoretical (and quite unlikely) £143.83? You do realise that comes out at less than £1.20 a month over the 10 years? Just buy one less coffee every 2 months and you'll be quids in.

That was for 1 year, not 10.

I am not that concerned about the money, but the reneging on the consultation process.
I am concerned about:

poor pay
The extra workload (as we have a smaller team)
The less interesting work
The extra weekends (as we have a smaller team)
The extra out of hours work (as we have a smaller team)
The difficulty scheduling holidays (as we have a smaller team)
The difficulty scheduling courses (as we have a smaller team)
An employer that doesn't care about the law
An employer that doesn't pay much heed to consultations
An employer that doesn't answer my queries.

Yes it is effort (and quite considerable) to look for another job, but at the present time I think it's worth considering.

lisyloo

marlot wrote: »

Having been through TUPE myself, if your only concern is a three day delay to pension payments then I'd forget it - and focus more on establishing a positive reputation with your new employer.

Not my only concern and as mentioned earlier my private thoughts and discussion have not encroached on my professional attitude at work.

lisyloo

Marcon wrote: »

you've been given plenty of help and guidance

I have been provided with opinions of strangers and no specific links to back them up. My contract says the opposite to those opinions (see earlier reply for exact texts).

including why your imagined detriment is no such thing

Could I have the post number.

Do calm down.

I am very calm thank you and not doing anything rash. I appreciate the importance of not doing anything rash and without proper facts which is why I'm seeking the correct information.

(and as for your comment about pay being made later - in your other thread you've said that has indeed happened but you weren't bothered).

I don't know which comment you are reffering to and the context but I am bothred about the things in the list mentioned above.
The money is a different issue to my employer not doing what theyy explicitly said.

agrinnall

lisyloo wrote: »

That was for 1 year, not 10.

Well as you didn't say that I can hardly be faulted for assuming it was over the only time period that you did mention.

I am not that concerned about the money, but the reneging on the consultation process.
I am concerned about:

poor pay
The extra workload (as we have a smaller team)
The less interesting work
The extra weekends (as we have a smaller team)
The extra out of hours work (as we have a smaller team)
The difficulty scheduling holidays (as we have a smaller team)
The difficulty scheduling courses (as we have a smaller team)
An employer that doesn't care about the law
An employer that doesn't pay much heed to consultations
An employer that doesn't answer my queries.

I think you should be concentrating your efforts on those things rather than a 3 day delay in making your pension contribution.

lisyloo

Well as you didn't say that I can hardly be faulted for assuming it was over the only time period that you did mention.

Completely agree, my bad for not specifying and no fault on your part was implied. Apologies - catching up with replies. I agree £143 per annum is not the end of the world but it was not agreed or consulted on and therefore feels rather sneaky in the way it has been done.

The late payment (or the one I and also Hargreaves Lansdown think is a breach/late as my contract fits the wording of the pension regulations) happened because the employer has pushed things to the limit on timing/resourcing and this has wide ranging impacts on my day to day job.

I think you should be concentrating your efforts on those things rather than a 3 day delay in making your pension contribution.

I am concentrating/working on all aspects. I am not sure there is much I can actively do about a smaller team due to redundancies, apart from constructively /professionally raising issues (which is part of my responsibilities).

I am not sure whether everyone appreciates it but being pedantic/detailed and raising issues IS a valued skill in some businesses if (of course) conducted in a professional matter. Many businesses employ compliance/auditing people for this very reason so being picky is not consider a bad thing or something that would end a career.

With regard to the last 3 I am eager to know my employers response.

getmore4less

TUPE only protects at the point of transfer.

nicechap

getmore4less wrote: »

TUPE only protects at the point of transfer.

True that.

The new firm can then change things as they require to meet business needs.

Savvy_Sue

lisyloo wrote: »

Would you be bothered if your employer told you many times (we had about 500 questions during the TUPE consultation) that the pension would not change and did this without consulting you?

No probably not bothered. There are bigger things to worry about ...

lisyloo wrote: »

I am not that concerned about the money, but the reneging on the consultation process.
I am concerned about:

poor pay
The extra workload (as we have a smaller team)
The less interesting work
The extra weekends (as we have a smaller team)
The extra out of hours work (as we have a smaller team)
The difficulty scheduling holidays (as we have a smaller team)
The difficulty scheduling courses (as we have a smaller team)
An employer that doesn't care about the law
An employer that doesn't pay much heed to consultations
An employer that doesn't answer my queries.

Yes it is effort (and quite considerable) to look for another job, but at the present time I think it's worth considering.

Like the above. If the pension thing is symptomatic of bigger issues, then another job is your answer.

lisyloo wrote: »

I am not sure whether everyone appreciates it but being pedantic/detailed and raising issues IS a valued skill in some businesses if (of course) conducted in a professional matter. Many businesses employ compliance/auditing people for this very reason so being picky is not consider a bad thing or something that would end a career.

Oh absolutely! Just that in this situation I'm not sure how much it matters.

BTW and this may have been asked, what does your union say?

katiekittykat

Have you spoke to acas?


http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1655



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