Accused of teaching but nothing missing?

Les79

You should check this case out.

Absolutely funny! The guy was selling wood items to a local shop for mainly personal gain, and only gave the school a fraction of it (and charged them for the privilege!).

Not 100% relevant to your case, but a bit of an insight into what to expect (ie if you get referred to NCTL you potentially won't be given a prohibition order as it isn't *that bad* if you are in the wrong here).

I suppose it depends on a few things, but I'd be wondering whether:

- You had permission to sell the items from the School/headmaster/your line manager (this will be a big point)

- You had any intention to keep the money for personal gain, even if it was only a bit of money (ie sell for £100, give the school £80 and keep £20)

- The item being sold was something that was being used during term time by the school/other teachers

- You have any previous history of dishonesty or anything untoward.

shortcrust

Les79 wrote: »

You should check this case out.

Absolutely funny! The guy was selling wood items to a local shop for mainly personal gain, and only gave the school a fraction of it (and charged them for the privilege!).

Not 100% relevant to your case, but a bit of an insight into what to expect (ie if you get referred to NCTL you potentially won't be given a prohibition order as it isn't *that bad* if you are in the wrong here).

I suppose it depends on a few things, but I'd be wondering whether:

- You had permission to sell the items from the School/headmaster/your line manager (this will be a big point)

- You had any intention to keep the money for personal gain, even if it was only a bit of money (ie sell for £100, give the school £80 and keep £20)

- The item being sold was something that was being used during term time by the school/other teachers

- You have any previous history of dishonesty or anything untoward.

They really need someone who can write clear and concise reports!

motorguy

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

If you read the OP, she wasn't selling it for her own profit, she was going to use the money to buy different resources for the school, so recycling not stealing.

I would imagine that's not uncommon these days with the funding cuts, and it makes sense not to leave a valuable but unneeded resource just sat on a shelf, the problem here is the licensing issue surely? Also perhaps its something she should have cleared with SLT/finance department first.

Thats it in a nutshell. You cant go round selling school property without full and proper authorisation to do so, otherwise you are wholly leaving yourself open to accusations of theft - as the O/P has found out.

motorguy

The bottom line is its going to be considered stealing unless the O/P can WHOLLY prove they intended to re-use the money elsewhere - papertrail to a colleague saying so, etc.

Otherwise the O/P is stuffed. Unauthorised selling of school property

ViolaLass

Ja7188 wrote: »

Based on my limited knowledge of how schools work in this regard, I suspect that the best the OP can hope for is to be asked to resign - may even be worth her doing this ahead of any disciplinary procedures being started.

I guess the only positive is that it's the time of year when teachers do resign to move onto new roles, whereas a resignation earlier in the academic year would be less usual (I believe a 3 month notice period applies to all teaching roles) and hope for the best when it comes to references - although I think her current employer may still have to disclose this "mistake" when it comes to references, which are often quite extensive in education.

All this is assuming that the issue is genuine!

Resigning earlier in the year is absolutely fine and it's not 3 months, it's half a term from half term i.e. have to resign by half term to leave at the end of the term (academies excepted, they can have their own rules).

Can't expect it not to affect the reference though.

Pensioned_Off

soolin wrote: »

I suspect this question is not serious and that the OP will not be returning with this user name, so I suggest we don't waste too much time on it.

I agree - this looks like a wind up. Even the title has errors in it.

I can't also believe that some posters don't see what's describe as anything but theft.

Business owns asset - employee sells asset without permission... get your coat, you're sacked and very lucky to be getting away without being reported to plod.

shortcrust

Pensioned_Off wrote: »

I agree - this looks like a wind up. Even the title has errors in it.

I can't also believe that some posters don't see what's describe as anything but theft.

Business owns asset - employee sells asset without permission... get your coat, you're sacked and very lucky to be getting away without being reported to plod.

Me too. Seems like class/professional status bias to me.

Cheeseface

Definitely a troll. The word headmaster is not used in schools anymore. A teacher would say headteacher.

Ja7188

Resigning earlier in the year is absolutely fine and it's not 3 months, it's half a term from half term i.e. have to resign by half term to leave at the end of the term (academies excepted, they can have their own rules).

Can't expect it not to affect the reference though.

I realise that there's nothing stopping a teacher from resigning at any point - it's just more common for them to do so in time to leave at the end of an academic year - hence my point that a resignation will look more "normal" if it happens around this time of year. Then again, that would be kind of irrelevant in this context as the reference will probably be the OP's undoing!

Manxman_in_exile

I can't believe this is a genuine post either and the OP has not returned.


No properly trained teacher would attempt to do what they claim to have done, without first asking someone in authority. If this is happening today then (my wife's favourite phrase) "we're all off to hell in a handcart".


In my former employer (NHS) I know of several people being sacked for exactly this sort of behaviour.