Combined Parking Solutions Notification of Legal Proceedings

Yorkie1804

IamEmanresu wrote: »

CPS tend to rely on CCTV images that their clients supply. Why not ask for a copy of the source of their pics of the car allegedly being in breach of their supposed contract. You are entitled to it.

That should nail the issue of signs if the CCTV pans around.

Thanks for that one. Not sure if they have CCTV on site, but it's another couple of lines in the response for them to read if nothing else!

System

Not sure if they have CCTV on site

You can usually tell from the angle of the pics.

Were the pics taken with a phone at eye level or are they from up high or are they closely cropped from a zoom. Sometimes the CCTV is on another site and they use it to monitor more than one car park.

Yorkie1804

IamEmanresu wrote: »

You can usually tell from the angle of the pics.

Were the pics taken with a phone at eye level or are they from up high or are they closely cropped from a zoom. Sometimes the CCTV is on another site and they use it to monitor more than one car park.

On the single picture they have sent with the LBC it looks to have been taken on a phone and angled as if to show there is a sign behind it, but this is actually for the adjacent space. I have requested copies of all photographs as well as CCTV recordings and/or stills taken from CCTV

System

but this is actually for the adjacent space.

Sounds like this is a DIY ticket by someone on commission trying to fit up the driver. Can you get your own wider angled pics to show the relationship of the sign to the parking space.

CPS mainly/only rely on self-ticketers who are issued with signs to put up and a phone app. You might want to check the ownership of the site/spaces .. as well as the pics of the location.

Yorkie1804

Thanks again. I have a picture of the actual space with no signs and general site pics showing the sporadic signage at the time as well as more recent pictures with improved signage. As mentioned earlier this will show that steps were taken to address inadequate signage. I have included a request for ownership details as well as contracts and site maps. Will be quite a long letter for them to digest!

System

I have included a request for ownership details as well as contracts and site maps.

If I were a PPC, I'd tell you to swivel and get your own information

1. "Ownership" is different from occupation and it is usually the occupier who contracts with a PPC. You can ask the local council who pays the commercial rate (called Non-Domestic Rates) who will give you the name of the occupier.

2. With regards to the "contract", as a PPC I'd tell you that the contract was commercially confidential and it will be produced at court IF the judge asks for it. What you should really be asking for is a copy of the wording on the signs that were there on the day. And proof of when that sign was installed. You might get the wording but they are unlikely to know the second part as PPCs don't usually know or even make a note of it. This is a major advantage to a defendant which is why the PPC brethren prefer to play dumb about the "contract" and give misleading answers.

3. Again if I were a PPC, I'd tell you to get a sitemap from Google Street View and identify the placings yourself. This is mainly because people don't check - not even the PPC's themselves.

Coupon-mad

You can ask the local council who pays the commercial rate (called Non-Domestic Rates) who will give you the name of the occupier.

Do the above, to the letter.

Yorkie1804

IamEmanresu wrote: »

If I were a PPC, I'd tell you to swivel and get your own information

1. "Ownership" is different from occupation and it is usually the occupier who contracts with a PPC. You can ask the local council who pays the commercial rate (called Non-Domestic Rates) who will give you the name of the occupier.

2. With regards to the "contract", as a PPC I'd tell you that the contract was commercially confidential and it will be produced at court IF the judge asks for it. What you should really be asking for is a copy of the wording on the signs that were there on the day. And proof of when that sign was installed. You might get the wording but they are unlikely to know the second part as PPCs don't usually know or even make a note of it. This is a major advantage to a defendant which is why the PPC brethren prefer to play dumb about the "contract" and give misleading answers.

3. Again if I were a PPC, I'd tell you to get a sitemap from Google Street View and identify the placings yourself. This is mainly because people don't check - not even the PPC's themselves.

1. Have emailed the Local Council to request details
2. Will edit letter to request date of installation of signs. I may have a photo of the signs in other areas of the car park but is it best to let the PPC answer that one
3. I have downloaded a number of street view images which I believe help my argument.Is it best to include them with the reply to the LBC, hoping this will persuade them to drop the case before issuing court proceedings? And should I still request a site map from them, as even if they ignore it will show they have not dealt with my requests in relation to the PaP?

Thanks again for the help so far. Glad I started this stage early so I can fine tune my response and get it back within the 30 days

Coupon-mad

Is it best to include them with the reply to the LBC, hoping this will persuade them to drop the case before issuing court proceedings? And should I still request a site map from them, as even if they ignore it will show they have not dealt with my requests in relation to the PaP?

Yes and yes.

Yorkie1804

Thanks CM and others, think I'm good to get this printed and posted, as well as emailed (just in case they "don't receive" the letter). Will get proof of posting and cc myself in the email as advised in other posts