Premier park...blue ice solihull

PNGUNN

My son parked on the land owned by premier park at the ice rink in solihull. On sunday 21st January for 34 mins starting at 21:50. The ice rink closes to the general public at 4pm and the car park was deserted.
It was 3 teenagers who had been to a drive through and wanted somewhere quiet to sit to eat some food before going home.
He received a fine of £100 reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days. He appealed immediately.

Today he received another letter demanding £100 and saying appeal has been reviewed by POPLA and has been denied.

Firstly. It is on premier park letter head not POPLA should I believe it?

Why has he lost the right to pay £60

Should we pay this? Is it likely they will send a debt recovery service

Why has it taken so long from end of January to start of April?

Redx

firstly, PP will not be the land owner, that will be somebody else entirely, PP will be hired to monitor the car park and issue pcn,s

if this has been appealed already and they have not replied, report them to their trade body, if its the BPA , by email (see the newbies sticky thread)

if they are in the BPA, PP should have replied and issued a POPLA code if they refuse the appeal

at the moment this has nothing to do with popla , so wont have their details on any paperwork

popla cannot review the case unless PP issued a popla code and the case was heard by popla

the £60 is a discounted rate for early payment , the full figure is £100 and has been for 6 years

debt recovery are powerless and cannot do anything at all except send letters

have you read the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread where all this is explained ? 3 threads down from the top of this forum

you only have to pay this if a judge says so, in county court

the debt remains on file for 6 years, but PP had 35 days to respond to the appeal and a typical popla case can take 2 or 3 months

at the moment your post has many flaws in it, so its impossible to sort through and identify fact from fiction

tell your son not to park on private land again without the landowners permission, or he will rack up dozens of these tickets , in effect , he was trespassing and had no more right to park there as on my driveway, being empty and out of hours is not relevant

Coupon-mad

Why has it taken so long from end of January to start of April?

Presumably because he appealed, got a POPLA code, appealed to POPLA online, forgot to check his emails (or POPLA's reply went into spam), he lost because he didn't research what to say to win at POPLA and because PP often win anyway, and now here is where he is.

Did your son appeal to POPLA without coming to this forum or researching it at all?

Why has he lost the right to pay £60

Obviously because he appealed, the discount is a bribe not to appeal (same as with any Council PCN, same swizz, the discount is a carrot/bribe, offered not to appeal, to make daft people roll over & pay).

But who cares? He won't be paying anything!

Should we pay this?

No.

Is it likely they will send a debt recovery service

Is it likely they will send debt letters? Yes. So what, we all ignore those!

If you mean can they send bailiffs to your door, of COURSE NOT. There is the small matter of them having to beat him in court first, then he would have had to refuse to pay what a Judge said, THEN a firm could send a bailiff.

Not going to happen, is it?

Especially as PP don't do court much, and if they tried, we see posters win 99% of the time.

I am a Mum of 4 adult/student kids and they know never to stop in a 'private car park'. What's wrong with parking on street, in a P&D or permit bay where restrictions ended at 7 or 8pm? He and his friends need to learn where to park - and it's not in a car park.

lilmizz

Any advice would be appreciated.

My wife received a PCN from PP stating that their was no payment made against her vehicle registration. Luckily she still had the parking ticket in her car, when she checked it had got three random capital letters on it (ONN). The signage states that the full vehicle registration should be entered. My wife knew this and entered her correct vehicle registration and displayed the ticket as instructed.

Due to this she appealed the charge to POPLA and sent evidence of the ticket stating that there must have been a technical fault with the machine and requested a validated maintenance record of the machine. PP sent evidence back to POPLA of signage instructions etc but nothing in terms of a ticket machine maintenance record.

POPLA have since denied the appeal and PP are now demanding £100 or further action would be taken. The email from POPLA with their decision went into her junk mail and was not seen until recently meaning she had gon past the 30 period to pay the charge. She is worried now that people will come knocking on the door.

Her big mistake was not informing me of any of this and trying to deal with it herself. With POPLA denying the appeal is there anyway I can still look to appeal the PCN?

Thanks

Le_Kirk

lilmizz wrote: »

1. Any advice would be appreciated.
2. She is worried now that people will come knocking on the door.
3. Her big mistake was not informing me of any of this and trying to deal with it herself. With POPLA denying the appeal is there anyway I can still look to appeal the PCN?

Thanks

1. Best advice is to read the Newbie sticky, one click back, third post down.
2. Nobody is going to come knocking at the door UNLESS you/she have/has been to small claims court, lost and not paid the CCJ inside one month.
3. Why? Are you the registered keeper?

waamo

The chances of going to court are very slim indeed. Take a look here http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata/Premier_Park.html

pm63

I went to Planet Ice Parking just before Xmas and paid, as requested. I received a fine for 100 pounds, reduced if I paid for a particular date to 60 pounds plus 50p admin charge. I had kept the ticket. Anyone going to this venue needs to keep their ticket, it is so important. When the ticket came out of the machine, only the last three digits were printed. I think their machine does not work properly! So not unlike the other lady on this forum, who had some obscure digits appear. I did put the full registration number in. So I got onto Premier Park and sent copies via hard copy and via email on the appeal and I asked them to check their records. They confirmed that I had paid however, they said I had not put the full registration number in and I was required, under their t's and c's to do so. However, as a gesture of goodwill they were prepared to reduce the fine to 30 pounds plus 50p for admin. At this point I paid, I was so fed up of this thing. I tried to pay on-line but they had not adjusted the figure, so did not go down this route. They said I could pay over the phone (all automated) and again the figure had not been altered, so again I would not pay as they were still looking for me to pay 60 pounds and 50p. The only alternative I had left was to pay by postal order, which cost me a further 3.81p. So I have paid but I have clearly said I was left with no alternative but to send a postal which cost me, as their systems had not been updated. I am now invoicing them for 3.81 and I will follow this up and not let go. BE WARNED, SAVE YOUR PARKING TICKETS AT THIS VENUE - SO YOU HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE YOU NEED.

The_Deep

lilmizz wrote: »

Any advice would be appreciated.

My wife received a PCN from PP stating that their was no payment … large amount of stuff removed ... still look to appeal the PCN?
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Thanks

Please read the rules, read the stickies, and start your own thread.

The_Deep

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Personally, I would not pay one of these scammers a penny unless so ordered by an Appeal Court Judge as an MP has opined that they have links to organised crime. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and has been known to get the charge cancelled.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT][/FONT]