PIP change of circumstances start ESA to UC?

Alice_Holt

poppy12345 wrote: »

Following and planning a journey will not automatically qualify you for a Blue Badge even with Enhanced mobility. It's at least 8 points in the moving around part.

^^ This

You need to be very clear on what mobility points you are aiming for, and whether these would gain you a blue badge.
You may be putting your current award at risk for no increased possibility of gaining a blue badge.

Could you cope with the stress of another appeal (if this became necessary)?

poppy12345

See here for what will automatically qualify you for a Blue Badge.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/197719/can-i-get-a-blue-badge.pdf

Jemma-T

I'm in Scotland so 12 points in the Planning gets you a Blue Badge automatically. I found that out last year (I believe Wales is similar and England is consulting on that too). There's also a Blue Badge in Scotland for mental/cognitive but I don't think I'd get that.

The last 2-3 months I've needed someone on nearly every occasion I've been out no matter the place. As I had 10 points for unfamilar I had hope I'd get 12 points for familiar which is now the case.

I definitely can't cope with a PIP application or appeal at the moment but I'm a bit more relaxed now I know I don't need to worry about UC (which I cannot fathom so far).

I don't recall much about my original PIP forms (I think my CPN done them) but I do remember the stress after it but I didn't go to the tribunal it was all paper based.

Danday

Jemma-T wrote: »

Hi :)

I have to tell PIP about a change of circumstances but I have a question. I receive ESA (income related), would that be affected ie could a change in the PIP level move me to Universal Credit? My area goes Full Service May 2018.

I know my ESA may drop (if my PIP is lowered or removed) but my question is would it start a Universal Credit application?

Thanks.

Taken from the Government website for PIP

Change of circumstances
You must contact the PIP enquiry line if:
your personal details change, for example your name, address or doctor
the help you need or your condition changes
you go into hospital or a care home
you go abroad
you’re imprisoned or held in detention
You could be taken to court or have to pay a penalty if you give wrong information or don’t report a change in your circumstances.

It would seem that if someone fails to notify that their needs or condition have changed they could be prosecuted

Advise that all changes need to be notified

Prudent

In Scotland you can get a blue badge with 8 points for a mental disorder if you meet the following criteria:

To meet the eligibility criteria for a Blue Badge the applicant must:

Have a diagnosed mental disorder

Lack awareness of danger from traffic, meaning something is likely to risk the applicant's safety or the safety of other people during journeys.

With PIP the applicant must also receive one of the following:

Personal Independance Payment, having been given a total of at least 8 points from the following sections:
section 7 (communicating verbally)
section 8 (reading and understanding signs, symbols and words)
section 9 (engaging with other people face-to-face)

Ames

Jemma-T wrote: »

I'm in Scotland so 12 points in the Planning gets you a Blue Badge automatically. I found that out last year (I believe Wales is similar and England is consulting on that too). There's also a Blue Badge in Scotland for mental/cognitive but I don't think I'd get that.

The last 2-3 months I've needed someone on nearly every occasion I've been out no matter the place. As I had 10 points for unfamilar I had hope I'd get 12 points for familiar which is now the case.

I definitely can't cope with a PIP application or appeal at the moment but I'm a bit more relaxed now I know I don't need to worry about UC (which I cannot fathom so far).

I don't recall much about my original PIP forms (I think my CPN done them) but I do remember the stress after it but I didn't go to the tribunal it was all paper based.

But that's exactly what you're setting in process by telling them your needs have changed. You'll have to fill in the full form, probably have a face to face, and go through the appeal process if they remove your award.

You'll also lose payment if they decide you don't qualify and won't be paid while you're appealing.

I agree with the others, with the award you have you're risking a huge amount by going down this route.

Danday wrote: »

Taken from the Government website for PIP

Change of circumstances
You must contact the PIP enquiry line if:
your personal details change, for example your name, address or doctor
the help you need or your condition changes
you go into hospital or a care home
you go abroad
you’re imprisoned or held in detention
You could be taken to court or have to pay a penalty if you give wrong information or don’t report a change in your circumstances.

It would seem that if someone fails to notify that their needs or condition have changed they could be prosecuted

Advise that all changes need to be notified

The DWP are not going to prosecute someone for failing to tell them that their condition has worsened. Why would they pay to take someone to court with all that entails - just to be told they have to pay the claimant more? It's nonsensical, like may of your posts.

poppy12345

Danday wrote: »

Taken from the Government website for PIP

Change of circumstances
You must contact the PIP enquiry line if:
your personal details change, for example your name, address or doctor
the help you need or your condition changes
you go into hospital or a care home
you go abroad
you’re imprisoned or held in detention
You could be taken to court or have to pay a penalty if you give wrong information or don’t report a change in your circumstances.

It would seem that if someone fails to notify that their needs or condition have changed they could be prosecuted

Advise that all changes need to be notified

Yet more incorrect advice from you, i see. No people will not be prosecuted for not reporting worsening of a condition.

I didn't report my condition getting worse before my last review. After my assessment was complete i had a call from the decision maker. His exact words to me were "when did you condition get worse" my answer, approx 10 months ago. He thanked me for my answer and said i'd receive a decision in the post in the next week. 24 hours later i rang, decision daily living stayed the same, mobility increased to Enhanced from standard. Was i prosecuted..... of course i wasn't!

Please stop given out all of this incorrect advice!

Alice_Holt

Jemma T - please ignore any posts from Danday.

As Ames & poppy have said you will not be prosecuted for not reporting a worsening condition.

Danday

Ames wrote: »

But that's exactly what you're setting in process by telling them your needs have changed. You'll have to fill in the full form, probably have a face to face, and go through the appeal process if they remove your award.

You'll also lose payment if they decide you don't qualify and won't be paid while you're appealing.

I agree with the others, with the award you have you're risking a huge amount by going down this route.



The DWP are not going to prosecute someone for failing to tell them that their condition has worsened. Why would they pay to take someone to court with all that entails - just to be told they have to pay the claimant more? It's nonsensical, like may of your posts.

It's not my nonsensical post it's what the DWP state!! Any prosecution or fine etc is because of the failure to notify - simple as.

I'm just the messenger passing on the rules appertaining to PIP. If you don't like them, have them changed.
Bottom line it clearly states that you MUST notify them if there is ANY change in the circumstances - don't have a go at me for spelling that out.