UKPC Parking Charge in Scotland.

trigger_andy

Hey all,

I received a charge on the 11th of this month for going over the Parking Space Boundaries. This was due to having a babyseat to remove and all the Parent with Children Spots where taken. The Parking attendant spoke to my wife right outside my car as she asked him where the ticket machine was and he never said anything, Im so annoyed.

Anyway, I spent the majority of last night looking though how to avoid paying this charge and must have had 6 tabs open. I thought I followed the correct procedure and appealed the charge on the UKPC Website (I sent it as the registered keeper)with the template provided in one of the MSE tabs I had open and today I noticed Ive done completely the wrong thing.

Not so sound like Im making a lot of excuses up but we've just had a baby and she has a virus and we're bother totally shattered. I did try as much as I could reading though all the separate MSE threads and tabs for Scotland but If fluffed it now so Im really unsure where I stand.

I have wrote a letter complaining about the fine to the retail park owners with a picture of the fine and also a receipt for shopping there at the time.

Any help would be much appreciated.

The_Deep

UKPC are fraudsters

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11858473/Parking-firm-UKPC-admits-faking-tickets-to-fine-drivers.html

This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors..

Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They nearly always lose) and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P.

Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind most of these companies may well be put out of business by Christmas.

twhitehousescat

hopefully you have not named the driver , as in "I did not , I did this / that"


your biggest mistake was not reading (or understanding) the newbies thread , specificly where it commented on cases in scotland

there is no keeper liability in scotland , IE they cannot go after the keeper if you refuse to name the driver , hence the question , did you say "I did this/that"


newbies thread https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822

trigger_andy

Thanks for the reply.

Like I said I read the threads for hours last night in a semi-zombie state. I had so many different tabs open from MSE and I followed what I found on one tab relating to Scotland but then I re-read the newbie section again this morning and realized my mistake. Hence this thread as Im now off of the beaten path.

In my Appeal to UKPC I replied as the Keeper and below is my message to the Retail Park Owners;

Afternoon,



I am the registered keeper of the car with the registration number;XXXXXXX. My Car received a parking charge with the explanation being that the car was ''not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space.'' The Driver of the car had a baby in the car and needed space to get the Babyseat out. All the Parent with Small Children Parking Spaces where taken so the Driver parked in a regular parking space which was too small to get the Baby Seat out of and had to move the car over slightly so the Baby Seat could be removed. The Driver was shopping in Mothercare. I have attached both the Mothercare receipt and the Parking Charge.



I am the keeper of the vehicle and Im very angry at getting this supposed charge for someone only trying to use your Retail Park Parking area for legitimate parking whilst shopping at your Retail Park. It is my understanding that it is in your powers to revoke this charge and I firmly yet politely ask that you do so.


Can this company affect my Credit Rating?

What is the best advice to do now? I have already recieved a reply from UKPC;

Dear Mr XXXX ,
Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to the above Parking Charge.
Since you are the registered keeper of the vehicle, UKPC reasonably suspects you to also have been the driver of
the vehicle at the time in question. Purporting to have no knowledge of the identity of the driver or refusing to
provide his/her details would also naturally support such a suspicion. If you were not the driver of the vehicle at the
time of the parking contravention, please provide the driver!!!8217;s details so that the appropriate party can be pursued
for this contravention to our Appeals Department within 14 days of the date of this letter.
The Parking Charges issued by UK Parking Control Limited (!!!8220;UKPC!!!8221;) are levied on the basis of a contract with the
driver, as detailed on the signage displayed in the car parks. The signage sets out the terms and conditions of
parking under which a driver is authorised to park, be that by pre-payment of a parking tariff, or by parking only for
a maximum period of time, or by adhering to other terms and conditions (such as being parked within a marked
bay), and that a Parking Charge will be payable if the conditions of parking are not met by the driver. We ensure
that signage containing the terms and conditions of parking is ample, clear, visible and in line with the British
Parking Association!!!8217;s Code of Practice to ensure the driver is bound by them when they enter and remain on site,
so that all users of the car park are obliged to follow these terms and conditions of parking. It is settled law that a
driver is deemed to have accepted the terms and conditions of parking by the act of parking in the car park.
The highest court in the UK, the Supreme Court, has unambiguously confirmed that parking charges issued on
private land are fully enforceable. In the case of ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 their Lordships stated that
private parking charges were enforceable because they served a legitimate interest and were in the interests of the
public generally. The case confirmed that the amount of the charge does not have to reflect any loss that might
have been caused by breach of the terms and conditions of parking. The Supreme Court decision is binding law on
all other courts throughout the UK.
A breakdown will not be provided to individual appellants for reasons of commercial sensitivity.
The photographic evidence that we hold can be viewed online at xxxxxx There is no charge for
this. The photographs provide evidence of the parking event that occurred which show that the driver breached the
terms and conditions of parking which were clearly displayed on the signage in the car park.
Failure to provide this information will give us no alternative other than to make our final decision based on the
previous information received.
Further correspondence can be sent to our postal address below or on our website at xxxxxxx are attached when sending further correspondence.
The Parking Charge has been on hold whilst under appeal and may be settled in full at the reduced rate of £60.00.
Yours faithfully

DoaM

That's a typical UKPC fishing response, and full of hyperbole and deliberate misinterpretation of the outcomes of legal cases - you can ignore it.

trigger_andy

DoaM wrote: »

That's a typical UKPC fishing response, and full of hyperbole and deliberate misinterpretation of the outcomes of legal cases - you can ignore it.

So my best course of action is just to ignore them from now on?

I know I need to keep all letters for the next 5 years but I should just ignore them?

Can they affect my credit rating? I need a good rating to get a Mortgage.

Andy

twhitehousescat

yes keep all letters

credit rating ? ONLY if threy take you to court , you loose and refuse to pay within 28 days (scotland?)

Fruitcake

You should edit you post to remove your name.

Le_Kirk

Fruitcake wrote: »

You should edit you post to remove your name.

........... and your registration number!

twhitehousescat

Le_Kirk wrote: »

........... and your registration number!

and UKPC is a sweary word as well :rotfl: