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r8chill91

Thorganby - why are you here if you find the information irrelevant and pointless? House Martin is replying to my posts giving me some more information, which I have asked for, which is perfectly relevant.

thorganby

r8chill91 wrote: »

Thorganby - why are you here if you find the information irrelevant and pointless? House Martin is replying to my posts giving me some more information, which I have asked for, which is perfectly relevant.

The information posted by House Martin was irrelevant to your problem and he obviously avoided answering the questions asked, which are relevant.

Unfortunately he believes that because he is a meter reader he must therefore be a metering expert, however he regularly posts incorrect information showing just how technically challenged he actually is.

When a preset level of reverse current is detected by the meter, the rEd fraud attempt warning is latched and this can only be cleared via the meters optical port - Fact.

If a meter is internally bypassed it is not possible for it to detect reverse current - Fact.

A bypassed meter does not need to be replaced after it has been bypassed and is effectively out of circuit with no current flowing though it - Fact.

An experienced meter reader should know all this and posting misleading and incorrect rubbish helps nobody, especially those requesting help on here.

Obviously this shows that meter readers are not properly trained and during his twenty odd years on the job he has learnt very little.

You should be dealing with your supplier to resolve your metering problem.

r8chill91

Fair enough.

I have contacted Bulb about it and someone is supposed to be getting back to me. However I have also given them 3 meter readings since being in the property - all 3 less than the previous and they said someone would contact me then and I am still waiting - if nobody gets back to me (which I am suspecting they probably wont since they havent up until now) then what?

House_Martin

Every prepayment electric meter which has been bypassed is taken away as evidence and replaced with a new one. FACT ! and not only is that true but the suppliers charge the thief over £200 for the new meter. This £200 is added to the new prepayment meter as debt.
British Gas will prosecute after someone has been known to have bypassed meters three times. The bypassed meter info are filed ,photographed and destroyed.
Gas meters which have been reversed have their internal cogs photographed by an expert ( on the S.coast I was told ) before they too are destroyed.
New gas meters are charged to the occupier in every case.gas meters with damaged internal shut off valves are also destroyed and replaced with new with similar costs to the electric meters charged to the occupier as debt on a new prepayment gas meter. Credit meters which have been proved to have been bypassed are also replaced for the same reason.
Whether they actually "need " to be replaced is a different question. In many cases they are scorched, damaged and blackened anyway and it would nt be sensible to reuse them.
98% of the meters I personally find bypassed are all prepayment meters but on the occasions I have found a digital credit meter in fraudulent use the rED has been showing and the reading has remained static and not advancing.
Revenue Protection have told me that any sign of rED on a normal digital electric meter which is nt in use with solar panels should be reported to them. Its is quite rare to see rED displayed on a digital electric meter not in use with PV installs
Have you got personal knowledge of fiddled credit electric meters personally thorganby .You re an electrician I believe are nt you ? seems a bit odd why you re questioning this.

thorganby

r8chill91 wrote: »

Fair enough.

I have contacted Bulb about it and someone is supposed to be getting back to me. However I have also given them 3 meter readings since being in the property - all 3 less than the previous and they said someone would contact me then and I am still waiting - if nobody gets back to me (which I am suspecting they probably wont since they havent up until now) then what?

You should maintain a record off all of your communications and exactly what info you have provided and keep chasing them.

I would suggest making regular short videos of the meter display while you cycle though the screens showing the date and registers with the blue button until this is resolved.

I don't know how Bulb will deal with this situation but they will most likely simply exchange the meter but still want to charge you for energy since you became responsible for the property four months ago.

thorganby

House_Martin wrote: »

Every prepayment electric meter which has been bypassed is taken away as evidence and replaced with a new one. FACT ! and not only is that true but the suppliers charge the thief over £200 for the new meter. This £200 is added to the new prepayment meter as debt.
British Gas will prosecute after someone has been known to have bypassed meters three times. The bypassed meter info are filed ,photographed and destroyed.
Gas meters which have been reversed have their internal cogs photographed by an expert ( on the S.coast I was told ) before they too are destroyed.
New gas meters are charged to the occupier in every case.gas meters with damaged internal shut off valves are also destroyed and replaced with new with similar costs to the electric meters charged to the occupier as debt on a new prepayment gas meter. Credit meters which have been proved to have been bypassed are also replaced for the same reason.
Whether they actually "need " to be replaced is a different question. In many cases they are scorched, damaged and blackened anyway and it would nt be sensible to reuse them.
98% of the meters I personally find bypassed are all prepayment meters but on the occasions I have found a digital credit meter in fraudulent use the rED has been showing and the reading has remained static and not advancing.
Revenue Protection have told me that any sign of rED on a normal digital electric meter which is nt in use with solar panels should be reported to them. Its is quite rare to see rED displayed on a digital electric meter not in use with PV installs
Have you got personal knowledge of fiddled credit electric meters personally thorganby .You re an electrician I believe are nt you ? seems a bit odd why you re questioning this.

Yet again you have failed to explain your comment that the reverse energy detected warning "should never display on the meter during the night" indicating that you do not understand this in feature in your "I wanna tell you a story" rant that does not help the OP.

You post about what BG revenue protection would do but BG is one of over sixty suppliers and you regularly tell us that most other suppliers actually do nothing about meter fraud!

You must get really tired having to constantly balance that huge chip on your shoulder regarding energy fraud and BBC license evaders.

You post that big six suppliers don't know how to run their companies and how you could do much better. How they have made a big mistake choosing to fit "cheap and nasty Indian made smart meters" etc. etc. etc.

I know that you have reported previous posts of mine that you have disagreed with and had them removed but I have never reported any post of your as I'm sure that most find them risible, showing your extreme biased opinions and wild assumptions.

Yes I have personal experience of credit meter fraud but not in any of my properties when I have been responsible for paying the bills.

No I am not and have never been an electrician but I'm guessing that you final two comments are your attempt at thinly veiled personal insults.

House_Martin

thorganby wrote: »

Yet again you have failed to explain your comment that the reverse energy detected warning "should never display on the meter during the night" indicating that you do not understand this in feature in your "I wanna tell you a story" rant that does not help the OP.

You post about what BG revenue protection would do but BG is one of over sixty suppliers and you regularly tell us that most other suppliers actually do nothing about meter fraud!

You must get really tired having to constantly balance that huge chip on your shoulder regarding energy fraud and BBC license evaders.

You post that big six suppliers don't know how to run their companies and how you could do much better. How they have made a big mistake choosing to fit "cheap and nasty Indian made smart meters" etc. etc. etc.

I know that you have reported previous posts of mine that you have disagreed with and had them removed but I have never reported any post of your as I'm sure that most find them risible, showing your extreme biased opinions and wild assumptions.

Yes I have personal experience of credit meter fraud but not in any of my properties when I have been responsible for paying the bills.

No I am not and have never been an electrician but I'm guessing that you final two comments are your attempt at thinly veiled personal insults.

For some reason you blurted out the other month " I was a racist and a bigot " lol .I accept I can be a bit bigoted, can t we all but I m not a racist so yes I did report that little insult of yours even though you ve been hounding me , and others , for years under various usernames using insulting language.
I notice that the other usernames you have used in the past have finally been deleted.
rED should not display on a solar panel properties meter once the sun has gone down and no power is being exported.
I do have a massive chip about energy thieves especially when BG RPU do a quick survey on only 20 properties in Dundas Rd Sheffield and find 7 out of the 20 fiddling meters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25718447 I m also a big BBC fan and hate licence thieves almost as much as energy thieves
Only Eon , out of the big 6 , are stupid enough to fit the worlds worst smart meter made by Secure Liberty. I have respect for customers who try in vain to self read this appalling cheap meter.
If you have any problems regarding libellous comments from me ..so su mi !

thorganby

House_Martin wrote: »

For some reason you blurted out the other month " I was a racist and a bigot " lol .I accept I can be a bit bigoted, can t we all but I m not a racist so yes I did report that little insult of yours even though you ve been hounding me , and others , for years under various usernames using insulting language.
I notice that the other usernames you have used in the past have finally been deleted.
rED should not display on a solar panel properties meter once the sun has gone down and no power is being exported.
I do have a massive chip about energy thieves especially when BG RPU do a quick survey on only 20 properties in Dundas Rd Sheffield and find 7 out of the 20 fiddling meters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25718447 I m also a big BBC fan and hate licence thieves almost as much as energy thieves
Only Eon , out of the big 6 , are stupid enough to fit the worlds worst smart meter made by Secure Liberty. I have respect for customers who try in vain to self read this appalling cheap meter.
If you have any problems regarding libellous comments from me ..so su mi !

Once again you are repeating your wild assumptions and accusing me of posting using other user names which I have never done.

Again you think that you know better than the Ampy Technical specification for the 5224E meter, which proves that your are posting rubbish again.

The following is an extract from the Ampy 5224E Technical Specification



Only posting factual information is helpful, so please refrain from posting your silly thoughts and unhelpful theories on the forum as they help nobody!
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