Do you want house price to rise or fall?

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not sure what you think, people who trash properties may well be dysfunctional but what about the thousands who would treat property with respect but can't get affordable secure accomadation.

We literally have third world migrants who cant read and write in their own language let alone English and they can and do come over here and raise stable families and their kids go on to get middle class jobs. I know a few such illiterate people who have decent lives and decent homes and now adult kids with decent jobs

You like many people mistake dysfunctional people/families with poverty.
The two do go hand in hand, if you are or become dysfunctional you very often end up poor
But there is no real poverty in the UK just dysfunction induced poverty. Get paid £50k a year it doesn't matter if you are hooked onto the bookies or the bottle you will be broke all the time and most likely its only a matter of time for you life to spiral downwards.

I've lived in council homes
I've rented for nearly a decade
I've owned my own home
I've lived on low wages
I've lived on high wages

The overriding reality in the UK is not poverty or strife the overriding reality is high wages low unemployment and lots of freedom and opportunity. What cuts people down is dysfunctional addictions and habits.

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

If they trash the place then I would not re house them in same standard of accommodation, there is no excuse for it

What would or could you do

The man used to beat his wife silly even when she was pregnant so he could gamble not only his earnings but hers too
They fought so much (or rather he did) no single wall in their home didn't have fist or foot holes in it
Their kids got into gangs and drugs and became dysfunctional themselves also hooked on gambling and drugs cant even speak proper English instead speak street English
The wife finally had a nervous breakdown and lost the plot
They just about survive on benefits and lower level drug crimes

They live in hell
More council homes wont save them they are already in one
More benefits won't save them they will just go on gambling or drugs

ukcarper

I'm not sure what you are waffling on about, yes there are dysfunctional families but the majority of people struggling to find secure and affordable property are not dysfunctional.

More council houses won't prevent the situation you describe but something needs to be done but it has little bearing on overall housing situation.

Malthusian

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not sure what you are waffling on about, yes there are dysfunctional families but the majority of people struggling to find secure and affordable property are not dysfunctional.

The vast vast majority of functional people have very little difficulty finding a home in the UK.

We do not have large amounts of people in this country who are functional yet living on the streets. A tiny number of functional people get very unlucky and find themselves on the street; they are usually housed by the council within a matter of weeks. You will never read about this in the Grauniad as they never interview the person who has just been housed, they just move on to the next person to get unlucky and interview them, then when that person has been housed they move on to the next one and so on ad infinitum.

People confuse wanting a nicer and bigger home with a general "housing crisis". If you believe that you are a victim of a problem bigger than yourself it feels like a good reason to not do anything about it.

ukcarper

Malthusian wrote: »

The vast vast majority of functional people have very little difficulty finding a home in the UK.

We do not have large amounts of people in this country who are functional yet living on the streets. A tiny number of functional people get very unlucky and find themselves on the street; they are usually housed by the council within a matter of weeks. You will never read about this in the Grauniad as they never interview the person who has just been housed, they just move on to the next person to get unlucky and interview them, then when that person has been housed they move on to the next one and so on ad infinitum.

People confuse wanting a nicer and bigger home with a general "housing crisis". If you believe that you are a victim of a problem bigger than yourself it feels like a good reason to not do anything about it.

There is a big difference in living on the street and finding secure accommodation at a price people can afford. To say there is not a housing problem in large parts of this country is burying your head in the sand.

Malthusian

ukcarper wrote: »

There is a big difference in living on the street and finding secure accommodation at a price people can afford.

Anyone who wants secure accommodation at an affordable price can find it easily. All you have to do is find some absolute spit-tip of a room in an unfashionable area and say to the landlord "I will pay you £400 per month for this absolute spit-tip". Trust me, they're not going to decide to sell up any time soon with a sitting tenant paying £400 per month.

I suspect there is a third criterion in your sentence which you aren't telling me about.

If you want secure high-quality accommodation at a low price, then that is easy. All you have to do is make up your mind which two you want.

Funny how the millions of people who have managed to find perfectly decent housing are the ones burying their head in the sand, and the small minority who log on to their computer and say "I live in an absolute tip, the damp's giving me asthma, I can't afford anything else, the Tories are to blame, nothing to be done, etc etc" are the ones who perceive the world as it truly is.

Two men stand looking at an elephant - one says "That's an elephant" and the other says "No, there's nothing there except blackness" because he's congenitally blind. The first one says "No, there is in reality an elephant". The second one says "You must be blind if you can't see there's nothing but blackness". The first one says "Here, I'll take your hand and you can touch and feel the elephant." The second one says "You must really be blind and stupid, to keep going on about an elephant that isn't there." Mad.

ukcarper

Malthusian wrote: »

Anyone who wants secure accommodation at an affordable price can find it easily. All you have to do is find some absolute spit-tip of a room in an unfashionable area and say to the landlord "I will pay you £400 per month for this absolute spit-tip". Trust me, they're not going to decide to sell up any time soon with a sitting tenant paying £400 per month.

I suspect there is a third criterion in your sentence which you aren't telling me about.

If you want secure high-quality accommodation at a low price, then that is easy. All you have to do is make up your mind which two you want.

Funny how the millions of people who have managed to find perfectly decent housing are the ones burying their head in the sand, and the small minority who log on to their computer and say "I live in an absolute tip, the damp's giving me asthma, I can't afford anything else, the Tories are to blame, nothing to be done, etc etc" are the ones who perceive the world as it truly is.

Two men stand looking at an elephant - one says "That's an elephant" and the other says "No, there's nothing there except blackness" because he's congenitally blind. The first one says "No, there is in reality an elephant". The second one says "You must be blind if you can't see there's nothing but blackness". The first one says "Here, I'll take your hand and you can touch and feel the elephant." The second one says "You must really be blind and stupid, to keep going on about an elephant that isn't there." Mad.

I've said all along I want reasonable accommodation that is secure at a a price that is affordable to low paid workers, I see nothing wrong with that. Just to make it clear to you I own my house but I can see there is a problem.

Luke86

Personally fall. As 20% drop on my house, is outweighed by upgrading and a 20% drop there...

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

There is a big difference in living on the street and finding secure accommodation at a price people can afford. To say there is not a housing problem in large parts of this country is burying your head in the sand.

Who cant afford a home in the UK?

Even the dysfunctional family I described earlier addicted to gambling and low level drugs has a home and a roof over their heads.

The only people who are truly homeless are the extremely dysfunctional generally the ones on hard drugs.

Who is it that you think is homeless and needs your help?

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

Who cant afford a home in the UK?

Even the dysfunctional family I described earlier addicted to gambling and low level drugs has a home and a roof over their heads.

The only people who are truly homeless are the extremely dysfunctional generally the ones on hard drugs.

Who is it that you think is homeless and needs your help?

You are another person who seems to confuse being homeless with having reasonable secure accommodation.