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Property purchase partnership and costs.

Bongolia
Bongolia Posts: 10 Forumite
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edited 5 March 2018 at 10:49AM in House buying, renting & selling
I'm about to purchase two flats with my brother which we will renovate and resell. We're getting a good price as he's a sitting tenant and the owner wants a quick sale. I own my flat but my brother is a first time buyer and he can't afford the full purchase. If he handles the whole process as a single agent he won't pay stamp duty or capital gains on the sale. Can we set up a process which allows us to do this, protects my side of the investment from his sloppy management and doesn't land him with any gift taxes?

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  • AnotherJoe
    AnotherJoe Posts: 19,622 Forumite
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    What are gift taxes????
  • Bongolia
    Bongolia Posts: 10 Forumite
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    edited 5 March 2018 at 10:48AM
    Taxes on assets which are given. You can give up to 3000 quids worth without tax and, I think, anything over that is liable to Inheritance tax. I'm trying to work out the cheapest way of handing my 50% of the purchase cost to my brother. I guess I could formally loan him the money, interest free, but I'm not sure if that would incur any other costs. Or whether it's legal!
  • AnotherJoe
    AnotherJoe Posts: 19,622 Forumite
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    Are either of you planning to die in the next seven years ?
  • Bongolia
    Bongolia Posts: 10 Forumite
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    Not deliberately!
  • saajan_12
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    Bongolia wrote: »
    I'm about to purchase two flats with my brother which we will renovate and resell. We're getting a good price as he's a sitting tenant - do you mean hes a tenant in situ or is he under a protected tenancy? and the owner wants a quick sale. I own my flat but my brother is a first time buyer and he can't afford the full purchase. If he handles the whole process as a single agent he won't pay stamp duty - no stamp duty on sales. On the purchase, you'll pay stamp duty on the full value, with the 3% additional rate.
    or capital gains on the sale - if you're planning to renovate and sell in a short time, then I expect the capital gain will be small. Brother will have private residence relief if he continues living there on his share and you'll each have your 11.3k allowance (unless used on other gains). However you'll pay CGT and/or use up your annual allowance. . Can we set up a process which allows us to do this, protects my side of the investment from his sloppy management and doesn't land him with any gift taxes? - no tax on gifts
    Bongolia wrote: »
    Taxes on assets which are given. - doesn't exist. You can give up to 3000 quids worth without tax and, I think, anything over that is liable to Inheritance tax. - IHT is conditional on the 'gifter' dying within 7 years. I'm trying to work out the cheapest way of handing my 50% of the purchase cost to my brother. I guess I could formally loan him the money, interest free, but I'm not sure if that would incur any other costs. - no tax on an interest free loan, perhaps solicitor / legal costs if you want it to be formally drafted and register a charge. Or whether it's legal!- its legal to lend your brother money. If there's a mortgage involved, brother will need to declare your loan and you may need to place a second charge (behind the bank)

    I'd suggest you loan brother the money, then there's no CGT / Stamp Duty implications, assuming you have NO BENEFICIAL INTEREST in the property i.e. you don't also get a share in the profit etc. You can charge brother interest as your return from the investment. You'd pay income tax on just the interest portion.
  • Bongolia
    Bongolia Posts: 10 Forumite
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    Thanks Saajan, my brother's a tenant in situ and there's no written contract. He rented the property 20 years ago on a verbal agreement with the, now deceased, father of the current owner. It looks like the loan from me is the cheapest way forward and I'll look at getting a contract drafted.
  • 00ec25
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    Bongolia wrote: »
    Taxes on assets which are given. You can give up to 3000 quids worth without tax and, I think, anything over that is liable to Inheritance tax. I'm trying to work out the cheapest way of handing my 50% of the purchase cost to my brother. I guess I could formally loan him the money, interest free, but I'm not sure if that would incur any other costs. Or whether it's legal!
    go and see an accountant for proper tax advice before you make a very expensive mistake!

    Inheritance tax has nothing to do with your plans

    buying a property with the deliberate intention to "do up" and sell soon afterwards is not regarding as a property investment, it is regarding as property development/trading

    investments are subject to CGT, you are not investing

    development trading is subject to income tax because you are trading (buying and selling). You will have to pay income tax on your profits, not IHT, not CGT, and you cannot gift anything
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