Meetings arranged outside of contracted hours

westbridgfordguy

I'm looking to leave my current job as per threads I've started on here but in the interim was looking for clarification on a working practice.

I work as a manager on a rotating shift patten 6 until 2 one week and 2 until ten the following week. 6 months ago my manager started to introduce meetings at 14.15 hours every day for both sets of managers on either shift regardless of what pattern they were working. These meetings normally go on for 45 mins and the normal content is the manager discussing the afternoons shifts performance from the previous day.

I politely starting suggesting that there was no value in the morning shift having to stay an extra hour every day one week to listen to something which was no relevance to them but they persisted, a good example today was I sat for 30 mins listening to a discussion about what happened last night and left work an hour later.

For the avoidance of doubt I do not get paid for this overtime as my contract has the catch all "reasonable amount of overtime" any thoughts please?

tacpot12

The extra time is unreasonable as you are being asked to work it regularly. I would ask them that they agree to pay me for the extra hours and would leave at 2 until they agree in writing to do so.

Takeaway_Addict

westbridgfordguy wrote: »

I'm looking to leave my current job as per threads I've started on here but in the interim was looking for clarification on a working practice.

I work as a manager on a rotating shift patten 6 until 2 one week and 2 until ten the following week. 6 months ago my manager started to introduce meetings at 14.15 hours every day for both sets of managers on either shift regardless of what pattern they were working. These meetings normally go on for 45 mins and the normal content is the manager discussing the afternoons shifts performance from the previous day.

I politely starting suggesting that there was no value in the morning shift having to stay an extra hour every day one week to listen to something which was no relevance to them but they persisted, a good example today was I sat for 30 mins listening to a discussion about what happened last night and left work an hour later.

For the avoidance of doubt I do not get paid for this overtime as my contract has the catch all "reasonable amount of overtime" any thoughts please?

Providing you are paid more than NLW then it would IMO be reasonably in the eyes of the law

TELLIT01

1 hours overtime per day for a manager isn't unreasonable. What does seem unreasonable is to expect people to attend meetings which have absolutely no relevance to them or their job.

Takeaway_Addict

I misread this as 1 times a week, not once a day.

Well that sucks! prob just ok legally but I can see why you're totally miffed

westbridgfordguy

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

I misread this as 1 times a week, not once a day.

Well that sucks! prob just ok legally but I can see why you're totally miffed

Yes is 5 times a week every other week.

westbridgfordguy

tacpot12 wrote: »

The extra time is unreasonable as you are being asked to work it regularly. I would ask them that they agree to pay me for the extra hours and would leave at 2 until they agree in writing to do so.

I thought about that but then my contract has the standard catch all saying a reasonable amount of overtime. Pathetically I make excuses up to leave on time some days if I cant hack wasting an hour of my time unpaid listening to my peers try to justify why they didnt hit target the previous day.

How absurd is that - having to make up an excuse to leave work on time, not early but on time.

TELLIT01

There was a similar situation at one place I had worked which fortunately didn't come into effect until after I left. We were an IT support team and had to cover the office from 8am to 6pm. Team leader had to be in the office for the core hours 9am to 5pm. There were 9 teams spread around the country. The overall manager decided he wanted to have a phone conference every morning and set it up for 7:30 so it wouldn't interrupt his working day.
From speaking to the guy who took over when I left, it was totally unnecessary to have these daily and they generally had little relevance to anybody. They were finally scrapped after a few months when fewer and fewer of the team leaders actually bothered to call in.

ReadingTim

So, one week it affects you; the next it doesn't as you're in work already, getting paid, and in a meeting so not actually working?

Swings and roundabouts then isn't it?!? Also, an hour a day every other week is 30 minutes per day, averaged out. You'd struggle to claim that's "unreasonable" to be perfectly honest.

Suggest you're on a hiding to nothing pursuing this, unless you're looking for ways to limit your career progression with your current employer. Furthermore, given your other posts about getting to the final stages of interviews but not getting the job, I wonder if you have a slight attitude problem which is somehow manifesting itself in what you say or how you say it that leads potential employers to have doubts about your suitability as an employee or manager compared to others they're interviewing. Just a thought....

warehouse

ReadingTim wrote: »

So, one week it affects you; the next it doesn't as you're in work already, getting paid, and in a meeting so not actually working?

Swings and roundabouts then isn't it?!? Also, an hour a day every other week is 30 minutes per day, averaged out. You'd struggle to claim that's "unreasonable" to be perfectly honest.

Suggest you're on a hiding to nothing pursuing this, unless you're looking for ways to limit your career progression with your current employer. Furthermore, given your other posts about getting to the final stages of interviews but not getting the job, I wonder if you have a slight attitude problem which is somehow manifesting itself in what you say or how you say it that leads potential employers to have doubts about your suitability as an employee or manager compared to others they're interviewing. Just a thought....

Wow, what an awful post. Unhelpful, making assumptions and judging people. Actually, it's perfect MSE right now.

westbridgfordguy

ReadingTim wrote: »

So, one week it affects you; the next it doesn't as you're in work already, getting paid, and in a meeting so not actually working?

Swings and roundabouts then isn't it?!? Also, an hour a day every other week is 30 minutes per day, averaged out. You'd struggle to claim that's "unreasonable" to be perfectly honest.

Suggest you're on a hiding to nothing pursuing this, unless you're looking for ways to limit your career progression with your current employer. Furthermore, given your other posts about getting to the final stages of interviews but not getting the job, I wonder if you have a slight attitude problem which is somehow manifesting itself in what you say or how you say it that leads potential employers to have doubts about your suitability as an employee or manager compared to others they're interviewing. Just a thought....

Fair comment about the swings and roundabouts comments what I didn't divulge was that the week when you say I sit in a meeting for an hour in my time I actually have to come into work an hour early one of these days to attend it again in my time.

Am not sure how you've come by the cosmic charecter judgement from this post, I was looking for opinions really and at least you've found time to reply so thank you for your input.