Obstruction

Fosterdog

Comms69 wrote: »

If I tell you not to knock on my door, and you continue to, then you are committing an offence.

Yes but to get anything done about it would require a judge, and I doubt any judge would agree that it is harassment when there are reasonable grounds for needing to knock the door to gain access to your own property which is being deliberately blocked. A judge would simply say, move the bins and the door knocking stops, by keeping the bins you are facilitating their need to knock the door.

OP as an alternative to cutting the chains which would be criminal damage, there's nothing stopping you from adding your own chains to his bins, which would prevent them from being emptied, again he couldn't cut your chains without it also being criminal damage to your property and is likely to annoy him but it would be the petty approach.

Comms69

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

But it would very quickly come out who "started it" - ie the antisocial bin-owning neighbour.

Do you have any constructive suggestions as to how OP can deal with this person?

Irrelevant who started it. - personally I think it's useful for people to know where they are in regards the law, silly me.




That aside - try tea and cake?

Comms69

Fosterdog wrote: »

Yes but to get anything done about it would require a judge, and I doubt any judge would agree that it is harassment when there are reasonable grounds for needing to knock the door to gain access to your own property which is being deliberately blocked. A judge would simply say, move the bins and the door knocking stops, by keeping the bins you are facilitating their need to knock the door. - That is not how the law works. This would be a criminal matter, prosecuted by the CPS where the OP would not be involved. (it was also hypothetical)

OP as an alternative to cutting the chains which would be criminal damage, there's nothing stopping you from adding your own chains to his bins, which would prevent them from being emptied, again he couldn't cut your chains without it also being criminal damage to your property and is likely to annoy him but it would be the petty approach.

My point was the OP know the neighbour works nights and is deliberately disturbing him.


I doubt it would get to that stage, but then again the police seem to investigate facebook comments these days so....

Mr.Generous

I had a friend who had a neighbor who liked to keep his bins right up against my friends house, in the way and banging the lid every time he used them etc. Usual route of polite requests got nowhere, then suggestions re fire safety (re-cycling bin full of card and paper right against his house) still no joy.

Would you believe that just after his black bin was emptied some passing kids must have seen it pushed against my friends wall and stole it. Takes about a month to get a replacement. Neighbor used a big "U" shackle lock though the handles after that.

Lo and behold about 2 weeks later some passing youths must have had a saw with them because someone cut the plastic handle on the bin, thus rendering the "U" lock useless and stole his recycling bin on the day it had been emptied. Obviously an inconvenience again sorting a new bin, and would you believe, he still didn't move them. Then the youths must have wanted a green bin because that went too.

His remaining bin was moved to behind his own gates while still waiting for a green and blue replacement.

Out of interest my friend says a jigsaw will chop up a wheely bin in about 5 minutes so it fits in your boot and can be dropped off at the local recycling center should you ever have one to get rid of.

bouicca21

I wonder if it works both ways? Perhaps deliberately blocking an individual's access on a regular basis is harassment? Though tbh I can't see that either amounts to causing alarm and distress.

LandyAndy

Mr.Generous wrote: »

I had a friend who had a neighbor who liked to keep his bins right up against my friends house, in the way and banging the lid every time he used them etc. Usual route of polite requests got nowhere, then suggestions re fire safety (re-cycling bin full of card and paper right against his house) still no joy.

Would you believe that just after his black bin was emptied some passing kids must have seen it pushed against my friends wall and stole it. Takes about a month to get a replacement. Neighbor used a big "U" shackle lock though the handles after that.

Lo and behold about 2 weeks later some passing youths must have had a saw with them because someone cut the plastic handle on the bin, thus rendering the "U" lock useless and stole his recycling bin on the day it had been emptied. Obviously an inconvenience again sorting a new bin, and would you believe, he still didn't move them. Then the youths must have wanted a green bin because that went too.

His remaining bin was moved to behind his own gates while still waiting for a green and blue replacement.

Out of interest my friend says a jigsaw will chop up a wheely bin in about 5 minutes so it fits in your boot and can be dropped off at the local recycling center should you ever have one to get rid of.

Your friend is a very naughty man :cool:

Comms69

Mr.Generous wrote: »

I had a friend who had a neighbor who liked to keep his bins right up against my friends house, in the way and banging the lid every time he used them etc. Usual route of polite requests got nowhere, then suggestions re fire safety (re-cycling bin full of card and paper right against his house) still no joy.

Would you believe that just after his black bin was emptied some passing kids must have seen it pushed against my friends wall and stole it. Takes about a month to get a replacement. Neighbor used a big "U" shackle lock though the handles after that.

Lo and behold about 2 weeks later some passing youths must have had a saw with them because someone cut the plastic handle on the bin, thus rendering the "U" lock useless and stole his recycling bin on the day it had been emptied. Obviously an inconvenience again sorting a new bin, and would you believe, he still didn't move them. Then the youths must have wanted a green bin because that went too.

His remaining bin was moved to behind his own gates while still waiting for a green and blue replacement.

Out of interest my friend says a jigsaw will chop up a wheely bin in about 5 minutes so it fits in your boot and can be dropped off at the local recycling center should you ever have one to get rid of.

The youth of today are so environmentally friendly, they must've needed extra bins to make sure everything was recycled!

Comms69

bouicca21 wrote: »

I wonder if it works both ways? Perhaps deliberately blocking an individual's access on a regular basis is harassment? Though tbh I can't see that either amounts to causing alarm and distress.

It depends. The bins are on a communal path from my understanding, so both parties have rights over it.


Whilst I tend to agree; calls, texts, emails and knocking on doors are they most reported forms of harassment in the country.

moneyistooshorttomention

LandyAndy wrote: »

Your friend is a very naughty man :cool:

:rotfl::rotfl:

...and sometimes "friends" have to accidentally on purpose make it plain enough to an offender what will happen (eg if they trespass - or block the way - one more time).

"Friends" never had to get as far as accidentally breaking glass bottles in my garden and then forgetting to clear them up again, but I suspect friends might have turned into careless heavy drinkers - if it hadnt become clear just how frequent watering with a hosepipe was...and how often it looked like it might coincide with trespassing.:cool:

Ithaca

Does he unlock the bin on collection day? Or is it emptied in situ?

If it's the former I would not recommend putting your own cheap chains on the bin, even if you were confident it would not damage the bin itself, because that would inconvenience him on collection day and if he were to cut your chains off that would potentially be criminal damage on his part.