How to solve the NHS funding crisis

justme111

westernpromise, NHS is not " on a brink of collapse". It has collapsed. Nobody admits to it though, thats why they ise " about to collapse" wording. As if anynody taken it seriously when they been warned ot is " abiut to collpse" for years - it is fruatrating they keep lieing and don't admit it already collapsed.
Recruitment crisis because staff do not want to partake in that lie. Only ignorance of public not realising how ahortchanged they are allows for it to happen. Treatments that are done for tickimg the box as economic commemted. Tons of antibiotics prescribed because doctors can do nothing else. Ambulances taking hours to get to 999 calls because they are stuck in hospitals with patients that can not be transferred to wards due to no beds and staff shortages. A bif lie of NHS dentistry. Granted there are still pockets of good treatment for the lucky ones but when would one say the system collapsed - when there is nothing good at all coming out of it ? Or when there is systematic failure in most aspects of it as it is now ?
Solutions - I reckon admitting the defacto limited service. It would prevent staff demoralisation which would translate in less exoense on a..e covering tick boxes and creating pseudo controlling agencies by a government that needs to be seen addressimg healthcare issues but can not due to a sacred NHS cow so inayead of tackling it they prerend to by creating countless rules which way the mops have to be stored ( it's not a joke , it is real(.
Makimg peoole who are not destitute or children pay for everything but emergencies or life threatening conditions.
Increasing NI or creating separate fund for healthcare - how on earth one could expect to meet ever increasing standarda with the same costs?!
Sort the care systwm to stop elserly who need care languishing pointlessly in hospitals because there is nowhere to send them to.
Accept healthcare costs money and educating people on al that NHS can not afford - if they know all these wonders of medicine exist and they will have to pay lots for them they are going to try and be more careful about their health, not think that NHS will fix it all.

Cakeguts

The trouble with the NHS is that it treats things that make it look immediately good but doesn't treat the illnesses like mental illness that no one cares about. Not treating mental illness properly costs more money in the long run.

Also people don't do what they are told to get better. Take physiotherapy. I have had to have it twice both times I got discharged before I had finished the course of treatment because I did the exercises at home for the number of times that I was told to do them for and it worked but I was told that lots and lots of people don't do the exercises at home. So they turn up for the appointments with the same lack of mobility they had when they started because the haven't put any effort in. It seems that they can't be bothered to get better? If someone doesn't do the exercises at home the NHS is wasting time and money on them.

gfplux

Anyone want to suggest how we solve the NHS crisis?

Cash-Cows

zagubov wrote: »

I'd still be tempted to only offer free treatment to those that turn up. More precisely, I'd charge no-shows as private patients. Remind them that free-at point-of-delivery have a high value. And that treating it otherwise isn't an option.

Not a bad idea but the health service need people not to turn up because they would never cope if they did.

justme111

All those who can afford to pay for highlights , holidays , nights out and clothes shopping should pay for medical treatment ( as long as it does not cost 25 k and bot doing it is life threatening). All those who can not afford the above should have it for free but limited.
Sorted.

Enterprise_1701C

How to solve the funding crisis?

Sort out how money is spent in the first instance.

Next, introduce an ID card system so only those entitled to free health care get it.

Next, stop doing things like gender reassignment for free. Yes, they can have the surgery, but it should be charged on a sliding scale according to means.

Stop all free plastic surgery unless essential to health of the patient.

Stop doling out drugs to everyone that asks, drugs available over the counter should not be available in prescription.

If someone calls an ambulance for something non-urgent, then they should be charged for that call out, I don't know how much, but the charge should be enforced.

Those that cannot speak English should not be given access to a translator for free, and we should not be paying a fortune to translate all the leaflets. If you are a visitor to this country, then any charges should be added onto the bill, if you live here then learn the language. If you are a visitor here then you should be made to have travel insurance, same way we do when we go on holiday etc.

This is only the start of it, but it would make a start..

And, stop carping on about having private beds in hospitals, I hear too many people complaining about how people get priority in private health care, but I don't see too many people thinking about the consequences of not having any private health care. The private hospitals and beds would not stay open if it was stopped and all those willing to pay would simply join the queues meaning everyone would have to wait longer. Same as with private schools, if people can afford to pay then they should be allowed to, especially as it means extra spaces are available for those that can't,

Linton

The current NHS problems are almost all due to to the increased number of the frail elderly. Go to any A&E or doctors surgery. Why should these people who have outlived their economic usefulness sponge on the rest of us? Stop treating them. The next major load on the NHS - children. Parents should have to pay for them to be treated. If they cant afford it they shouldnt have children. With these simple measures the rest of us can get immediate appointments and hospital referrals when we want them.

Alternatively perhaps funding our medical services to the same level as every other developed country would be a start. If they can afford it why cant we? Or is it we dont want to?

Enterprise_1701C

So you don't have elderly parents or kids Linton? You sound like a 20 something that regards everyone else as spongers.

How about the fact that the elderly have "paid in" all their lives, or that children are the future and you will probably be depending on them to fund your treatment when you suddenly realise you are elderly?

I bet you would also suggest that ex-servicemen chose to put themselves in the line of fire so should pay for their treatment?

Wednesday2000

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

So you don't have elderly parents or kids Linton? You sound like a 20 something that regards everyone else as spongers.

How about the fact that the elderly have "paid in" all their lives, or that children are the future and you will probably be depending on them to fund your treatment when you suddenly realise you are elderly?

I bet you would also suggest that ex-servicemen chose to put themselves in the line of fire so should pay for their treatment?

I think Linton was joking in the first part of his post!:D

(or her post?)

Enterprise_1701C

Wednesday2000 wrote: »

I think Linton was joking in the first part of his post!:D

(or her post?)

I sincerely hope so!