A Millennial Speaks out

economic

Cakeguts wrote: »

Just at the moment I am having a major worry about the NHS. It isn't accountable to anyone about what it offers as "treatments." I am beginning to feel that it is about as bad as having a nationalised water supply. There is one treatment that I can think of that is actually a huge experiment because not enough research has been done into the causes that need the treatment.

I am pretty certain that most of the people involved in the experiment don't know they are part of the experiment.

I take it you mean mental health care treatment?

economic

Cakeguts wrote: »

I notice that the wealthy pass on wealth that they haven't earned but a family living entirely on benefits also hasn't earned anything. I would like to see the research into how much money generation of families who have never worked have had for free. Based on benefits of £20,000 per year and not increased in line with inflation is over £1million entirely from tax payers. If that way of life is passed onto the next generation where no one works they will get another £1million from the working population for doing nothing and living a life of luxury.

So what we are doing is in the case of families where no one works and where no one has ever had a job we are giving them over £1million free over a lifetime.

What you want to do is to tax people who have inherited wealth from a previous generation who worked for it and hand it to people who don't contribute anything to society and have never worked but are given over £1 million free? Why??

There would be enough money for adult social care if the people who currently can't be bothered to get a job or who are waiting for the imaginary "graduate" job to appear worked and paid tax.

Or as in the case of a council local to me didn't employ chief executives that the council doesn't need. London could save an absolute small fortune by getting rid of the mayor and his employees who do basically nothing except draw salaries.

This is why i have no interest in a permanent PAYE job. I am a contractor now and my effective tax rate has gone from over 40% (when i was on PAYE) to below 20%. There is no point in paying so much in taxes.

triathlon

GreatApe wrote: »

All cultures are cruel not just 'great' cultures.

Do you think the Africans were or are a peace loving cruelty free hippie culture?

The story of humanity is not lefties voting for better lives

The story of humanity is technology. Technology is what enabled the animals known as homosapiens to tame the cruelty of nature and the cruelty of chance and the cruelty of insufficient supply of needs and wants.

The biggest enabler of technology to date was electricity. Not steam engines they played a small part in our story. It was electricity that turned us from poor cruel animals to civilised animals.

If you disbelieve this go set up a nation without electricity and see how much left wing laws get you anywhere. Have slaves as many as you want but without electricity you will still be dirt poor.

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This is all a joke right, you don't really see the world like this do you :-)

You had me for a little while :-)

Cakeguts

economic wrote: »

I take it you mean mental health care treatment?

Actually no it isn't. It hasn't got anything to do with ECT but it is experimental because they don't know what the outcomes are going to be because it has only been used relatively recently. What it is doesn't work all that well so that is one saving grace I think for something where they don't know what the eventual outcome will be.

triathlon

Cakeguts wrote: »

Just at the moment I am having a major worry about the NHS. It isn't accountable to anyone about what it offers as "treatments." I am beginning to feel that it is about as bad as having a nationalised water supply. There is one treatment that I can think of that is actually a huge experiment because not enough research has been done into the causes that need the treatment.

I am pretty certain that most of the people involved in the experiment don't know they are part of the experiment.

Why don't you just tell us what it is without being so cagey?

Cakeguts

triathlon wrote: »

Why don't you just tell us what it is without being so cagey?

Because when I do people get upset and shout at me. I can give you a clue it involves not knowing enough about the genetic inheritance which is why it is still at the experimental stage.

Moby

GreatApe wrote: »

Such nonsense

If slavery was the route to riches the Africans would be have been the richest nations on earth

The west was poor for a long time. We only really began our exponential growth around the late 1940s thanks mostly to electricity. Europe and the USA got electricity in large amounts and reliable and stable around 1940s and we boomed from there. The Chinese got the same around 1990 and started their exponentiall growth. The Indians entered that stage in 2010. The African nations most of them (south Africa excepted) are still for all intents per electricity and that is why they are still very very poor.

As for McDonald face and his partner I don't trust them one bit. Even if I was 95% sure they wouldn't lead us down the road to communist hell the 5% is far too big a risk.

So the industrial revolution in the 18th and 19th century in Britain, then Europe and the US never happened?

Moby

GreatApe wrote: »

All cultures are cruel not just 'great' cultures.

Do you think the Africans were or are a peace loving cruelty free hippie culture?

The story of humanity is not lefties voting for better lives

The story of humanity is technology. Technology is what enabled the animals known as homosapiens to tame the cruelty of nature and the cruelty of chance and the cruelty of insufficient supply of needs and wants.

The biggest enabler of technology to date was electricity. Not steam engines they played a small part in our story. It was electricity that turned us from poor cruel animals to civilised animals.

If you disbelieve this go set up a nation without electricity and see how much left wing laws get you anywhere. Have slaves as many as you want but without electricity you will still be dirt poor.

Great Ape you are such a reductionist who worships the technology God but fails to see that same technology can be used for good or bad and fails to see how technological advances interact with culture. Ever heard of Hitler; look what he did with technology. Those left wing dictators you hate so much for being socialists were able to spread their messages and organise through electricity. We now live with the daily threat of world destruction through technology. Of course we welcome technological advances, medicine etc but that changes nothing about human nature/morality. Millions of people live desperate and lonely lives despite technology. Ever heard of global warming, over population, famine, destruction of natural habitats, pollution. Yep its all been cushty since we had mass electricity:rotfl:

cogito

Moby wrote: »

So the industrial revolution in the 18th and 19th century in Britain, then Europe and the US never happened?

There were two industrial revolutions, the first powered by horses and steam and the second by electricity. GreatApe is clearly talking about the second which was a leap forward of huge magnitude. I haven't read the entire thread but as far as I can see he didn't mention industrial revolutions at all.

westernpromise

cogito wrote: »

The Beveridge report was commissioned by the Lab/Con coalition government in WW2. Beveridge was a Liberal.

All parties committed to it in their manifestos for the 1945 election. It just happened that Labour won the election but it would also have been implemented if the Tories had won. In that case, the Tories would have been able to take credit for socialist reforms.

Also, in the same way that most "housing" charities don't create any new housing, the NHS didn't create any new hospitals. It just took over existing ones. Watford General Hospital was previously a workhouse, for example.
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/13581713.the-history-of-watford-workhouse/

The story of socialism is stealing things by state diktat then claiming to have built them. Ultimately Labour's aim is to make the NHS as bad as possible so that people vote Labour in fear of its getting worse. The ideal Labour hospital is Mid-Staffs, where patients starved to death on trolleys, and where doctors had to prescribe water otherwise the unsackable staff would have let patients die of thirst.

There should be full criminal liability for public sector negligence. If you can be jailed for breaching financial regulations it should be possible for doctors and nurses to be held personally to account and jailed for manslaughter when they starve a patient to death.

The left thinks Mr. Bumble the Beadle is a model.