Housing association and Garden Fence 1 post EDITED for clarity

atrixblue.-MFR-.

HampshireH wrote: »

Where on your diagram is th current 6ft fence cited

Main boundary line where the shrubs are is 6ft high with 2 inch spaces between panels so not feathered edge so people can see in from the main road behind and the bustop. The RED LINE is my garden boundary marked with a chain link fence. Its 0.5 meters high not the 1.5 I stated above.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Try posting just the relevant parts. Editing the above post would help.

Take whatever supporting information you have to to the HA. What do the other residents want?

Why not?

The other residents have also been asking for a wooden fence.


Other communal access lanes have wood fencing around all garden boundaries, theres only 3 on the whole entire estate of 150 houses that has chain link.


I provided all this in a written letter the HA.


The security Issues, the thefts from garden, the Lack of privacy.


even offered to put in my own or pay part costs.


The response back I had was that the association is not prepared to change the current existing chain link, they are not prepared to "inherit the fence" upon my tenancy termination, and cannot guarantee that my own fence would be fitted safe enough for those using the communal lane, the current chain link fence is an adequate form of boundary marker for the garden. According to them.

Norman_Castle

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

the current chain link fence is an adequate form of boundary marker for the garden. According to them.

The guidance you provided states it needs to be more than a boundary marker. Why was it inadequate for other properties but not yours?

A group action involving the other residents could be the next step.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Norman_Castle wrote: »

The guidance you provided states it needs to be more than a boundary marker. Why was it inadequate for other properties but not yours?

A group action involving the other residents could be the next step.

That's a good question and having pitched that the HA on numerous occasions, the response is the same.
This HA sees fit to do what they like, they don't treat residents equally or fairly ive had enough battles with them to sort other issues out it came close one to going to court and gaining a tenancy enforcement order to cure the water ingress once after living with water and damp for 11 and half years and being told it was my tumble dryer causing condensation. Having being victim to numerous garden thefts I asked for permission to put up CCTV, this was denied, yet 15-20 other residents in the estate have CCTV.


I'm hoping that, a fresh pair of surveyors eyes, and hopefully a guidance in my hand to counter and fobbing off, will do the job.

Norman_Castle

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

The WHQS stipulates


Overview of the Welsh Housing Quality Standard


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‘Better Homes for People in Wales‘ states the National Assembly for Wales’ vision that "all households in Wales … shall have the opportunity to live in good quality dwellings that are:

1. in a good state of repair
2. safe and secure
3. adequately heated, fuel efficient and well insulated
4. contain uptodate kitchens and bathrooms
5. well managed (for rented housing)
6. located in attractive and safe environments
7. as far as possible suit the specific requirements of the household (e.g. specific disabilities)"

The Welsh Assembly Government is committed to bringing all existing social housing up to the Welsh Housing Quality Standard by the end of 2020.


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[FONT=VCGWI M+ Frutiger,Frutiger][FONT=VCGWI M+ Frutiger,Frutiger]Staircases are a frequent source of accidental injury, particularly to elderly people and young children and every


opportunity must be taken to improve safety. There is a high risk of accidents in kitchens and bathrooms that can be reduced by careful consideration and improvement of the layout.


Fire can cause death or serious injury and every opportunity must be taken to improve existing installations to ensure easy escape routes and sufficient fire alarms are provided.


Electrical and gas installations in poor condition are a frequent cause of injury. Inadequate and poorly located


outlets can be inconvenient and dangerous. Inadequate heating installations can cause discomfort and be detrimental to good health. All opportunities must be taken to modernise existing installations and ensure they are safe.


An inadequate level of security increases the fear of crime and makes people feel insecure in their own dwellings. All dwellings must provide tenants with a reasonable level of physical security and every opportunity to improve the physical security through the provision of locks and other hardware should be taken.


Poorly enclosed and laid out gardens may be unsafe and inconvenient for the occupants. All opportunities must be taken to make gardens safe and suitable for young children to play in, convenient to use, easy to maintain and reasonably private.
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2(o) Is the rear garden easy to maintain, reasonably private, safe and suitable for young children to play in (Primary)?


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The rear garden must be easy to maintain. This should be assessed in relation to the intended occupants and will consider issues such as:




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The rear garden must be safe and suitable for young children to play in. This also includes allowing supervision from the dwelling. Issues that may be considered in relation to this element are:

• boundaries should be suitable to prevent children leaving the garden and should not encourage climbing
• if the garden is on an incline, the landlord must ensure that the retaining walls are structurally stable and have an appropriate guard rail/balustrade
• ensure pathways are even and unobstructed

Landlords will have to assess each garden individually and where possible undertake improvement works despite constraints.







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Acres of empty space littered with irrelevant information, now posted twice. Necessary?
Likely to be read?

AnotherJoe

Plant a hedge or put your own cheap fence up (such as that bamboo fencing you could zip tie or wire to the chain link) and wait for them to do something which they likely wont.

Davesnave

AnotherJoe wrote: »

Plant a hedge or put your own cheap fence up (such as that bamboo fencing you could zip tie or wire to the chain link) and wait for them to do something which they likely wont.

Both of these suggestions have been made, but the OP doesn't appear to hear them, because they are fixated on a document related to quality standards in Welsh housing.

Perhaps it should be gently suggested that documents like that are aspirational, so the bodies to which they relate will, be "working towards" their implementation. That doesn't mean the standards will be met, this year, next year or even in five years time. There will be prioritsation.

I dare say one could find a similar quality document for Welsh education, but that doesn't mean all Welsh schools will meet the written criteria. A particularly high percentage of Welsh schools are currently judged to be underperforming, but I doubt if parents of children at those schools could take individual action based on a quality standards document; the schools will improve as and when the resources are applied in the manner judged best by the professionals who take the decisions.

As suggested here, a group action is probably the best way forward, or the OP does as the rest of us do, and applies their own solution.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

In 28 days I will be getting in a new wooden fence.


Surveyor came, who said that No it doesn't meet the primary or secondary requirements set out in the WHQS (we had a small discussion about it), measured up gave me a booking date apologised for this being overlooked and made his way.


Hope this helps people in future in Wales that the WHQS is set, the guidance is there for landlords as so not set their OWN policies regarding the WHQS and its implementation, when there is definitive primary requirements in the guide this is a MUST do or Must implement. when it comes to safety, security, and child friendliness.

ClaireTully

Garden fence not only helps to safeguard your garden but also helps to decorate the yard. Whereas glass fencing does the distract the view and make the surrounding look more elegant and beautiful. So, one of my friends suggested me to have a peek here to have the glass fencing in the garden.

missprice

ClaireTully wrote: »

Garden fence not only helps to safeguard your garden but also helps to decorate the yard. Whereas glass fencing does the distract the view and make the surrounding look more elegant and beautiful. So, one of my friends suggested me to have a peek here to have the glass fencing in the garden.

This thread is a year old, did you mean to resurrect it?
Wth is a glass fence?
Start your own thread on fencing, glass or wood?