Appealing to Popla - Help!

sirrah94

Hey,

I'm currently in the process of having to appeal to popla, now a brief background on the situation. As registered keeper (however I'm unsure if i said registered or driver in the first appeal which was rejected). My partner lives in a gated estate with 3 blocks of apartments each apartment is assigned one parking space. There isn't any visitor parking and UKPC was put in place to stop people parking in the road which now means residents can't have visitors without the risk of getting a ticket. Now on the left hand side of a section of the road the curb is lowed and gravelled ( this doesn't lead to anywhere, it isn't a path its unused space between one of the apartment blocks and the road). Its big enough for a car and there aren't any signs to say the area is restricted apart from the UKPC signs which say no roadway parking but this area isn't in the road. Further up from this area there is a space off the road not gravelled but with a lowered curb its exactly the same line as the space mentioned before, both to the left not in the road.

I've read the newbies thread and other posts but haven't come across one quite like my situation purely because its so stupid this estate was built without visitor parking! I've collated information but yet to form my appeal letter, i'm not sure I have enough evidence. I wondered if anyone could think of anything else I could add to the letter after reading my situation for appeal. I saw people talking about POFA 212 not sure if that applies to me, this is all very confusing and difficult and would really appreciate any help or advice if anyone has any haha.

Many Thanks

Redx

a popla appeal is based on legal arguments and post #3 of the NEWBIES sticky thread lists some of those legal arguments so construct your appeal from those including POFA2012

SO POFA2012 failures (if any)
any NTK failures on timeline , wording etc
NO landowner authority
POOR , INADEQUATE and FORBIDDING SIGNAGE
any BPA CoP failures
Not the same as BEAVIS

thats just a few of them

Coupon-mad

Did UKPC post a Notice to Keeper out to you? What date (NB, NOT the rejection letter).

What date was the windscreen PCN?

sirrah94

Whats NB? Sorry I keep getting confused with all the abbreviations! The PCN was put on the car on the 10 November 2017, refection letter received on 22nd December 2017 ( I also have another for the same area which was the 19th November 2017, rejection letter received on 28 December 2017)

Coupon-mad

Whats NB?

Seriously? Having said that, I just asked my 17 yr old DS and he didn't know!

Google is your friend.

I didn't ask when the rejection letter was dated. I asked:

Did UKPC post a Notice to Keeper out to you?

I hoped you'd know this is the entire point of the tactics in the NEWBIES thread, of appealing on day 26 (it explains why).

sirrah94

Yes I did receive notice to keeper letter reason being I appealed and their website was malfunctioning and somehow changed my reference number without me realising so they never received the appeals?

Assuming this isn't good?

Coupon-mad

I don't understand?

sirrah94

When i first received the PCN and appealed to UKPC i entered the reference number on the appeal page, but the reference number somehow changed without me realising so they never received my appeal for that PCN.

So they sent me the Notice to Keeper letter (thinking id ignored the fine, but my appeal never reached them) but anyway yes I did receive a notice to keeper letter

Coupon-mad

Sounds like they altered the VRN between the PCN and NTK. So did the PCN get the number-plate wrong?

sirrah94

No it’s all correct, number plate etc I looked into it when I received the Notice to Keeper letter because I was waiting for an appeal response and then when I checked my emails noticed the number was wrong. So I then appealed the Notice to Keeper letters with the correct codes explaining what had happened.

Does receiving this letter affect the appeal to popla?

Coupon-mad

What gap between PCN and NTK, in days?