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Is this benifit fraud?

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  • marliepanda
    marliepanda Posts: 7,186 Forumite
    edited 9 January 2018 at 3:28PM
    Cut?

    If she doesn't want to be done for fraud she needs to stop lying. Its quite easy.

    Theyre checking up on her because shes lying and theyre not all daft, and theyve worked it out.

    All earnings appear on HMRC records, not just 'some' As nothing is appearing they are assuming its cash in hand and therefore want to know what she is earning.

    No one can force her to provide payslips and statements, and she cannot force them to pay her UC.
  • Is this benifit fraud? Yes!

    Lying to the Job Centre so as to avoid looking for work or attending the Job Centre

    She will be sanctioned.
  • TELLIT01
    TELLIT01 Posts: 18,030 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper PPI Party Pooper
    I've found two definitions of fraud.
    (1) wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
    (2) Fraud is the crime of gaining money or financial benefits by a trick or by lying
    The friend's actions would fall as fraud under (1) but possibly not under (2) as it could be argued there is no financial benefit. I say 'possibly' because it could equally be argued that there is financial benefit in that UC has been paid when the individual has provided false information to DWP. Had accurate information been provided i.e. not working but not undertaking the required jobsearch etc payment would have been sanctioned.
    Irrespective of the fine detail, the friend needs to come clean about it sooner rather than later.
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