new job offer

omega3dave

happy hols to everyone

I have a new job offer in bag, but, I am still 50/50 ish on my decision whether to stay where I am, or go to new company. (I work in engineering)

how did you decide whether a new job offer was the right way to go for you ?

I have considered job satisfaction, location, salary etc , all the obvious ones

one thing, I have known my current boss for 11 years. He has been very supportive in past year too, as I have been unwell.

new job offers more interesting technologies, more interesting, varied work. But I feel some allegiance toward my current boss. I am a little torn. I have to make my mind up by Jan 2nd.

I dont want any negative ****, if you cannot contribute anything positive, then go play with your new PS4.

gettingtheresometime

Have you asked yourself why you applied for the job in the first place - that’s usually a good starting point.

Are the reasons something that be addressed by your current employer? If you received a promise of those issues being addressed would you stay.

Remember bosses can leave and their replacement can change the whole atmosphere

demiruss

If you considered leaving, you must want to? If it offers security, the same/better benefits and new challenges, and you have recovered from your illness, I would go for it. I would thank your boss (a supportive one is hard to come by) and work your notice. Take their feelings out of the equation and decide what's best for your personal progression

omega3dave

thanks guys for replies thus far

bit more detail, I currently have :

1)flexible hours, finish Friday lunchtimes. Is 37.5 hrs. (new job = 40hrs)
2)Better pension terms in current role
3) Current company, although huge in turnover, operates in tight market, with small margins.
4)better private medical
5) stress levels have been high.
6)morale has been low. Many people have left, lots of restructuring

New job :
1)is more rigid, 8-15 to 5-30 with 45 min lunch.
2)The new offer tried to get away with matching my current salary. I had to re-negotiate with new employer, they have now offered 2k above current salary, and said there is flexible hours.
3)New job does offer more variety (current role, I do the same thing day in day out). New role is more interesting product, by long chalk.
4)Travel distance is same as current job. .
5)New company is profitable and has little competition.
6)6 months probation. I have never come across 6 months before. In my experience, 3 months seems standard ?
7)new role, I will have more autonomy in role. More responsibility. Higher tech product. Better prospects to expand, use my skill sets, experience
8)no peer pressure, as I would be only person doing this role
9)new boss appears to be very amenable. We had good rapport at interviews, good vibe from each other
10)new office environment could be drawback. Dont think office has windows. Is only an assumption on what I was shown at interview. They seemed reluctant to show me where I could be working

overall, will be longer days, longer hours in new role. But, I think it will be more rewarding, interesting

is difficult, not easy. Probably would not feel so difficult if my current boss (and long time friend) was not part of the equation. Guess I have to put that to one side

nicechap

omega3dave wrote: »

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I dont want any negative ****, if you cannot contribute anything positive, then go play with your new PS4.

I think you should stay where you are.

robpw2

which pays more ?

YorkshireBoy

omega3dave wrote: »

(new job = 40hrs)

New job :
1)is more rigid, 8-15 to 5-30 with 45 min lunch.

I make that a 42.5 hour week, ie 5 hours more than current job?

2)Better pension terms in current role

they have now offered 2k above current salary

How much of the £2K will be lost in making up the shortfall in pension terms? The remainder is your net financial gain.

8)no peer pressure, as I would be only person doing this role

Has someone left? Or have they created a new role?

Probably would not feel so difficult if my current boss (and long time friend) was not part of the equation.

9 years ago, my boss (and friend of nearly 20 years standing) made my position redundant...because he was told to. Your boss would do the same!

Malc00

I have been stung by turning down a job role for a manager that I loved. Less than 2 months later he was no longer my manager and unlikely to ever be again. He talked me into staying as I am (was) his best and I talked myself into staying because I loved my manager and he would look after me but there are always things outside of his control. Now unfortunately my new manager isn't anything like him and the new one is a different type of guy to work with. Every single day I regret not leaving. It is still raw so probably on my mind more and renewed anger following the news of his resignation before christmas!

TELLIT01

The salary difference is negligible if you factor in the longer hours. You say the hours are rigid, but they say they can be flexible. I'd be worried about the last part being an empty promise, made simply because they want you.
6 months probation isn't unusual.
Take your friendship with your current manager completely out of the equation. If he really is a friend he will want what's best for you.
You need to look at the reasons you are looking for a new job and if the new employer truly fulfils those requirements. If they do, then on balance the move would seem to be a reasonable one.

omega3dave

thanks again for everyone's input, much appreciated. I will try to answer some points :

demiruss wrote: »

If you considered leaving, you must want to? If it offers security, the same/better benefits and new challenges, and you have recovered from your illness, I would go for it. I would thank your boss (a supportive one is hard to come by) and work your notice. Take their feelings out of the equation and decide what's best for your personal progression

some good points, thanks

Every single day I regret not leaving. It is still raw so probably on my mind more and renewed anger following the news of his resignation before christmas

emm, that is my concern. In ideal world we be good to go try the new job for a month. Then pop back to the old one, if not feeling good.

I'd be worried about the last part being an empty promise, made simply because they want you

yep, I did think they threw that into pot just to appease me

I make that a 42.5 hour week, ie 5 hours more than current job

think they finish early on Friday, 3-45pm, in new job

Has someone left? Or have they created a new role?

is new role, they not had someone with my engineering discipline, electrical design, for 5 years

I think you should stay where you are.

thanks. Any more detail, ?

Energize

The salary is £2,000 more but you are working more hours, is there actually any increase in the hourly rate? As said above if the pension is not as good, sounds like you're overall compensation is no better than what you are currently getting.

Even at the bottom end of the job market £2,000 is a mediocre salary increase unless you're going to be working less hours, you should always be aiming to move up the ladder, I would not risk the jump to another company for that sort of pay increase.

The fact that they tried to match your current salary and then make what sounds like an empty promise is not exactly a good sign either. Did you tell them your current salary?!